Concerns...

[jtstang]

This is what happens when you sack one of DISD's own for burgers and Cheer. The first order of biz when Doherty got here was to attempt to rebuild those bridges. I guess they're not quite finished yet.

And Tubbs' record recruiting top DISD talent when he was head coach here was so outstanding?

It does not matter at all. If you disagree with me, then you explain why Doherty spent the full first couple of weeks on the job glad-handing the same DISD coaches who had just backlashed against SMU because of the way the Tubbs firing was handled. I kind of thought it was to rebuild those bridges. And if so, it clearly has not worked as of yet.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

jstang--everybody loves a winning program and mostly nobody cares for a losing program. if anything, the local kids know us too well thru the eyes of the dmn, and can't as easily buy into the new possibilities. if doh takes only the players he can get from dallas Right Now, we'll still be a below .500 team 3 years from now.

and above all else, when you are building a program from ground zero (where we were a year ago), you get talent from wherever you can get it. which is pretty much true all the time, anyway. the poster was right about kevin durant. texas would have a fairly good team without him, but he puts them on a different level. and he's not from the metroplex.

[jtstang]

Oh god, another "we can't recruit because of the Morning News coverage" guy.

I agree with you that good players want to go to good programs and that puts SMU at an inherent disadvantage. But Doherty has not gotten a sniff from DISD kids. I think part of that is due to the Tubbs backlash. But that's speculation based solely on the DISD coaches' reactions to burgers and Cheer-gate. I can't prove that any more than you can prove recruits leave town because we are not on page 1 of Sports Day every morning.

And I never said we should not be recruiting from wherever we can get players, so please don't attribute that notion to me.

[Higher Authority]

I can't find any major D-I kids in the DISD this year. It's not like we're missing out this year on a crop of Quinton Ross/Jeryl Sasser clones. Are there ANY stud DISD players this year? If not, I commend Coach Doherty for getting players from elsewhere, especially if the incoming players are as good as some reports describe.

[PonySoprano]

But Doherty has not gotten a sniff from DISD kids. I think part of that is due to the Tubbs backlash. But that's speculation based solely on the DISD coaches' reactions to burgers and Cheer-gate.

But Tubbs was not getting any sniffs from DISD kids either. Its not like there was a steady DISD pipeline and it all of a sudden dried up after Tubbs was fired.

Maybe the problem was that today's recurits like Chicken Wings and Tide better than Burgers and Cheer. Maybe Jimmy changing the menu would have made all the difference.

[Danny Noonan]

This is what happens when you sack one of DISD's own for burgers and Cheer. The first order of biz when Doherty got here was to attempt to rebuild those bridges. I guess they're not quite finished yet.

And Tubbs' record recruiting top DISD talent when he was head coach here was so outstanding?

It does not matter at all. If you disagree with me, then you explain why Doherty spent the full first couple of weeks on the job glad-handing the same DISD coaches who had just backlashed against SMU because of the way the Tubbs firing was handled. I kind of thought it was to rebuild those bridges. And if so, it clearly has not worked as of yet.

Honestly, maybe he completely built the bridge back. Maybe we're 100% back to the point where we were before Tubbs was fired. You'd never know. Its impossible for us to get a negative number of recruits from Dallas.

When Doh gets that first DISD recruit, I'll assume that not only is the bridge rebuilt, but its better off than before.

[jtstang]

But Tubbs was not getting any sniffs from DISD kids either. Its not like there was a steady DISD pipeline and it all of a sudden dried up after Tubbs was fired.

Not true, Darrell Arther gave us a sniff when Tubbs was here. Maybe he is the one who likes chicken wings better, but he gaves Tubbs a look. And let's not forget the historical relationship Tubbs had with DISD. Sasser and Davis ring a bell anyone?

[Blunt Pony]

This is what happens when you sack one of DISD's own for burgers and Cheer. The first order of biz when Doherty got here was to attempt to rebuild those bridges. I guess they're not quite finished yet.

If that is true than we should sack one of DISD's own each year. Not sure if I care if these recruits are from Mars, if they can play than welcome aboard. If we are successful, the Dallas kids will come. After all, the DISD mafia did not exactly have their stated influence to funnel kids into our program as promised when Tubbs was hired. I want to be able to recuit Dallas and I realize the advantage to doing so, but I am glad that Doh is looking on the national scene as well.

[jtstang]

I want to be able to recuit Dallas and I realize the advantage to doing so, but I am glad that Doh is looking on the national scene as well.

I don't think anybody is disputing that. Are you sure you're on the right thread?

[PK]

I want to be able to recuit Dallas and I realize the advantage to doing so, but I am glad that Doh is looking on the national scene as well.

I don't think anybody is disputing that. Are you sure you're on the right thread?

Yeah, he is on the right thread. Are you? Go back and read the orignal post that started this thread. OK, now are you concerned and if so why. Next along those same lines, were you concerned that Tubbs wasn't getting DISD kids? After all, that was why he was hired and all his buds implied they would funnel those kids his way.

[ponyboy]

This is ridiculous. As others have mentioned, it matters zero, zip, nada where a recruit comes from. I'm glad Doh's attempted to mend fences in the DISD, but only because that opens the door to many potential recruits. But I love the statement above that I'll bet Barnes is mad that he only got Durant rather than a DISD kid.

What a stupid conversation.

[jtstang]

PK, your liberal paraphrasing notwithstanding, the point of the thread was never are you unhappy with Doherty only getting out of Dallas recruits. If anybody was, then by definition they'd want no recruits at all, since without a doubt he's gotten no looks from DISD stars. I read it as more of why do you think it's so. And I was happy to be on the radar of at least one DISD stud with Tubbs in his long two-year stint, as I pointed out about Arthur before, and was glad he was able to bring in that class with Sasser, Davis, et al., by virtue of his DISD connections. Who knows what kind of future with DISD he would have developed if SMU had not trumped up those obviously false charges against him that Copeland said were beyond what was reported in the paper or words to that effect. None of us, for sure.

But this is not about Tubbs anymore, beyond my speculation of one possible causes of the dearth of local players looking at Doherty, so maybe you should start a new thread to further discuss the injustice against Tubbs. I might even have something to say abou that.

[mavsrage311]

sorry but there was no "injustice" to tubbs. We are much, much, much better off right now

[Charleston Pony]

has it occurred to anyone that the reason we hacen't landed any studs from DISD since the Sasser/Davis signings is that those DISD kids are more aware of the futility that has been SMU bball (or should I say athletics?) during their lifetimes?

Granted Tubbs had the support of DISD coaches who loved the hire, but those coaches can't dictate to a kid where to play his college ball. The fact that Darrell Arthur even considered SMU with the options he had tells you Tubbs had support, but ultimately that won't deliver recruits.

Doherty will do what he can to enhance SMU's image in the community, but ultimately it's going to take competing with Memphis and demonstrating that enough people care about SMU bball that we can at least fill Moody on game nights.

Time will tell but it appears Doherty put together a decent 1st class considering how low this program has fallen.

[PK]

PK, your liberal paraphrasing notwithstanding, the point of the thread was never are you unhappy with Doherty only getting out of Dallas recruits.

Actually, the point of the thread was: "...Doherty has now gone through two recruiting seasons and how many dallas kids have we landed? Yes ZERO, does this concern anyone else but me? Am I crazy to think that there is enough talent in dallas every year that if we landed just one or two a year we could be a tournament team?"

BTW, it is streaching it a bit to say Coach Doh has gone through two recruiting seasons.

And I was happy to be on the radar of at least one DISD stud with Tubbs in his long two-year stint, as I pointed out about Arthur before, and was glad he was able to bring in that class with Sasser, Davis, et al., by virtue of his DISD connections.

Yes he got a sniff...in his second year. Maybe Doh will get a sniff in his second year.

But this is not about Tubbs anymore, beyond my speculation of one possible causes of the dearth of local players looking at Doherty, so maybe you should start a new thread to further discuss the injustice against Tubbs. I might even have something to say abou that.

You are the one who brought up Tubbs and continues to do so...not me. So perhaps you should start up the new thread and bare your soul there. You could make it an on going thing like you did with the DMN thingy.