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by Ponymon » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:04 pm
Kenji Jackson is a 5-10, 169 lb. Mansfield, Texas safety that is ranked as the No. 33 safety in the current class by Rivals (3 Stars, 5.6 Rating). He has offers from Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Utah, Wisconsin, Iowa, Iowa State, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, Arizona, Colorado State with A$M about to offer also.
Too bad he is too small for some ponyfans on this board to consider offering!
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by perunapower » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:39 pm
Ponymon wrote:Kenji Jackson is a 5-10, 169 lb. Mansfield, Texas safety that is ranked as the No. 33 safety in the current class by Rivals (3 Stars, 5.6 Rating). He has offers from Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Utah, Wisconsin, Iowa, Iowa State, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, Arizona, Colorado State with A$M about to offer also.
Too bad he is too small for some ponyfans on this board to consider offering!
This guy gets in the backfield in a hurry and gets some pretty good hits in too despite his small size. Sic him PB!
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by PhirePhilBennett » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:24 pm
Dude, I am all for the little guy. But when like the Cowboys having 2 under 5'10" LBs, it just doesn't work for very long.
Do you really expect to find 4-5 diamonds in the rough in each class (that is, 5'9" CBs or WRs) that will ALL pan out in the end? No, of course not.
I am concerned that our current commits are all small. We can reserve ultimate judgment when we see the end of the year class. But our first two was disconcerting, that's all. None of the commits so far have been offered by big time programs either...did PB sneak them in under the radar? DO you really think that aTm, TCU, UT, OU, OSU aren't looking in the same back yard?
Obviously, this guy is being heavily recruited, so that is great.
Right now, UNT has a much stronger class than we do. That concerns me. Doesn't it you?
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by perunapower » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:13 pm
PhirePhilBennett wrote:Dude, I am all for the little guy. But when like the Cowboys having 2 under 5'10" LBs, it just doesn't work for very long.
Do you really expect to find 4-5 diamonds in the rough in each class (that is, 5'9" CBs or WRs) that will ALL pan out in the end? No, of course not.
I am concerned that our current commits are all small. We can reserve ultimate judgment when we see the end of the year class. But our first two was disconcerting, that's all. None of the commits so far have been offered by big time programs either...did PB sneak them in under the radar? DO you really think that aTm, TCU, UT, OU, OSU aren't looking in the same back yard?
Obviously, this guy is being heavily recruited, so that is great.
Right now, UNT has a much stronger class than we do. That concerns me. Doesn't it you?
I will care if UNT has a stronger recruit class after signing day because that's what really matters. Not mid-July. Not even mid-October. There are no prizes given in the summer for who gets early commits.
As far as your "diamonds in the rough" comment, it's just two players. Surely not everyone PB is going after is 5'9" 160 lb, but I'm sure you'd like to make it seem that way so you can take more cheap shots at PB. That is your favorite past time, is it not?
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by PonyPride » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:15 am
There was a guy named Kenji on my high school football team. If this guy hits like that guy did, Conference USA will be declared a crime scene (if, in fact, he comes to SMU or another C-USA team....)
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by MustangIcon » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:11 am
perunapower wrote:PhirePhilBennett wrote:Dude, I am all for the little guy. But when like the Cowboys having 2 under 5'10" LBs, it just doesn't work for very long.
Do you really expect to find 4-5 diamonds in the rough in each class (that is, 5'9" CBs or WRs) that will ALL pan out in the end? No, of course not.
I am concerned that our current commits are all small. We can reserve ultimate judgment when we see the end of the year class. But our first two was disconcerting, that's all. None of the commits so far have been offered by big time programs either...did PB sneak them in under the radar? DO you really think that aTm, TCU, UT, OU, OSU aren't looking in the same back yard?
Obviously, this guy is being heavily recruited, so that is great.
Right now, UNT has a much stronger class than we do. That concerns me. Doesn't it you?
I will care if UNT has a stronger recruit class after signing day because that's what really matters. Not mid-July. Not even mid-October. There are no prizes given in the summer for who gets early commits. As far as your "diamonds in the rough" comment, it's just two players. Surely not everyone PB is going after is 5'9" 160 lb, but I'm sure you'd like to make it seem that way so you can take more cheap shots at PB. That is your favorite past time, is it not?
Thats the point. Surely he isn't only going after 5'9 160 lb players, those just seem to be the only ones he can get.
Comment above made tounge in cheek. Yes, I know about our commit from the 6'5 3a WR. A good friend of mine saw him at one of the camps or workouts at SMU and was very impressed by this kid. I'm sure we have more 5'9 plus players to come, just our two first guys were of the vertically challenged nature.
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by Ponymon » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:05 pm
PhirePhilBennett wrote:Dude, I am all for the little guy. But when like the Cowboys having 2 under 5'10" LBs, it just doesn't work for very long.
Do you really expect to find 4-5 diamonds in the rough in each class (that is, 5'9" CBs or WRs) that will ALL pan out in the end? No, of course not.
I am concerned that our current commits are all small. We can reserve ultimate judgment when we see the end of the year class. But our first two was disconcerting, that's all. None of the commits so far have been offered by big time programs either...did PB sneak them in under the radar? DO you really think that aTm, TCU, UT, OU, OSU aren't looking in the same back yard?
Obviously, this guy is being heavily recruited, so that is great.
Right now, UNT has a much stronger class than we do. That concerns me. Doesn't it you?
Dude, do you know what the average size of a defensive back is on most college teams? Do you know how many defensive backs are needed to play a game? Do you know that a defensive back has to be a better athlete than a wide receiver to keep up with him on the football team? Do you know how many athletes we currently have that are rated 5.6 on the football team? These guys will make this class much stronger than last year if they commit so what's your complaint????????????
Think about it!
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by PhirePhilBennett » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:21 pm
Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3?
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by OC Mustang » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:05 pm
PhirePhilBennett wrote:Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3?
WOW! Let's buy them a cookie. SMU beats them in Ford. nuff said.
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by mavsrage311 » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:52 pm
Ponymon wrote:PhirePhilBennett wrote:Dude, I am all for the little guy. But when like the Cowboys having 2 under 5'10" LBs, it just doesn't work for very long.
Do you really expect to find 4-5 diamonds in the rough in each class (that is, 5'9" CBs or WRs) that will ALL pan out in the end? No, of course not.
I am concerned that our current commits are all small. We can reserve ultimate judgment when we see the end of the year class. But our first two was disconcerting, that's all. None of the commits so far have been offered by big time programs either...did PB sneak them in under the radar? DO you really think that aTm, TCU, UT, OU, OSU aren't looking in the same back yard?
Obviously, this guy is being heavily recruited, so that is great.
Right now, UNT has a much stronger class than we do. That concerns me. Doesn't it you?
Dude, do you know what the average size of a defensive back is on most college teams? Do you know how many defensive backs are needed to play a game? Do you know that a defensive back has to be a better athlete than a wide receiver to keep up with him on the football team? Do you know how many athletes we currently have that are rated 5.6 on the football team? These guys will make this class much stronger than last year if they commit so what's your complaint???????????? Think about it!
Ponymon...he has the same argument as me in the other thread...neither of us are bashing any of our recruits, we are just wishing we'd get more "blue-chip" types with the measurements instead of hoping an under-sized player pans out. That is all! Of course we hope they all pan out, but odds are they wont. Bigger players stand a better chance of panning out...don't make me look at stats to prove it, it is just common sense.
Of course there are a lot of good, effective cornerbacks that are not 6' tall, but how many corners do we need?
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by ponyboy » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:00 pm
Save time typing. Reread the threads from last year at this time. We'll be fine.
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by Ponymon » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:47 pm
PhirePhilBennett wrote:Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3?
Kenji Jackson is rated 5.6 and so is Cornelius Douglas. Both are 5-9 to 5-10 despite their small size. Also, all three of our current recruits are rated the same at 5.2 despite the disparity in size, which has to say something about the smaller guys athleticism. However, your version of Rivals may be different than mine as far as the ratings are concerned?
As far as MavsRage is concerned, I agree that I would LOVE to see bigger players commit. Who wouldn't! That said, our record and the ridiculously high academic standards of SMU for football athletes make it tough for these kids to make it into this school. And it is my understanding that a lot of the better athletes are having a significant problem STAYING in school once they enter. (Ken Pye can be thanked for our current academic predicament! We need to bring back the education/coaching degree to attract better athletes and keep them eligible through all 4(5) years of school.) At least the current recruits appear to have significant ability, which is more than one might expect given our lousy record over the preceding 25 years.
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by perunapower » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:59 pm
Ponymon wrote:PhirePhilBennett wrote:Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3?
Kenji Jackson is rated 5.6 and so is Cornelius Douglas. Both are 5-9 to 5-10 despite their small size. Also, all three of our current recruits are rated the same at 5.2 despite the disparity in size, which has to say something about the smaller guys athleticism. However, your version of Rivals may be different than mine as far as the ratings are concerned? As far as MavsRage is concerned, I agree that I would LOVE to see bigger players commit. Who wouldn't! That said, our record and the ridiculously high academic standards of SMU for football athletes make it tough for these kids to make it into this school. And it is my understanding that a lot of the better athletes are having a significant problem STAYING in school once they enter. (Ken Pye can be thanked for our current academic predicament! We need to bring back the education/coaching degree to attract better athletes and keep them eligible through all 4(5) years of school.) At least the current recruits appear to have significant ability, which is more than one might expect given our lousy record over the preceding 25 years.
We have education degrees! SMU offers an undergraduate teacher certification program as well as masters and doctoral degrees in education.
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by MustangIcon » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:08 pm
Ponymon wrote:PhirePhilBennett wrote:Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3? Kenji Jackson is rated 5.6 and so is Cornelius Douglas. Both are 5-9 to 5-10 despite their small size. Also, all three of our current recruits are rated the same at 5.2 despite the disparity in size, which has to say something about the smaller guys athleticism. However, your version of Rivals may be different than mine as far as the ratings are concerned? As far as MavsRage is concerned, I agree that I would LOVE to see bigger players commit. Who wouldn't! That said, our record and the ridiculously high academic standards of SMU for football athletes make it tough for these kids to make it into this school. And it is my understanding that a lot of the better athletes are having a significant problem STAYING in school once they enter. (Ken Pye can be thanked for our current academic predicament! We need to bring back the education/coaching degree to attract better athletes and keep them eligible through all 4(5) years of school.) At least the current recruits appear to have significant ability, which is more than one might expect given our lousy record over the preceding 25 years.
Those are recruits we hope to get. The ones we have are 5.2 rated as was previously mentioned. I love how people complain about getting commits from marginally rated recruits (per rivals in this case) that are rather small, and you point to small recruits that there is merely interest from as your point of arguement. Apples and oranges.
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by Ponymon » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:23 pm
MustangIcon wrote:Ponymon wrote:PhirePhilBennett wrote:Did you know that they are rated 5.2, not over 5.6?
Did you know that UNT has 5 players rated higher than 2 of our 3? Kenji Jackson is rated 5.6 and so is Cornelius Douglas. Both are 5-9 to 5-10 despite their small size. Also, all three of our current recruits are rated the same at 5.2 despite the disparity in size, which has to say something about the smaller guys athleticism. However, your version of Rivals may be different than mine as far as the ratings are concerned? As far as MavsRage is concerned, I agree that I would LOVE to see bigger players commit. Who wouldn't! That said, our record and the ridiculously high academic standards of SMU for football athletes make it tough for these kids to make it into this school. And it is my understanding that a lot of the better athletes are having a significant problem STAYING in school once they enter. (Ken Pye can be thanked for our current academic predicament! We need to bring back the education/coaching degree to attract better athletes and keep them eligible through all 4(5) years of school.) At least the current recruits appear to have significant ability, which is more than one might expect given our lousy record over the preceding 25 years.
Those are recruits we hope to get. The ones we have are 5.2 rated as was previously mentioned. I love how people complain about getting commits from marginally rated recruits (per rivals in this case) that are rather small, and you point to small recruits that there is merely interest from as your point of arguement. Apples and oranges.
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Ratings are dynamic because the physical abilities of the kids being rated are constantly changing and because the system has some subjectivity built into it. Cameron Gladd is the 17th rated recruit in Oklahoma and maybe the best fullback recruit to come out of the state in some time per the recent Rival's article. However, right now he is only rated 2 stars and 5.2 by the Rival's system. Given the article written about him in Rivals, it would seem that an upward adjustment in his rating may be warranted.
As far as the education degree is concerned, it was my understanding that we did not offer an undergraduate degree in education and specifically in physical education. I saw where we were going to bring back graduate degrees in this field. Perunapower, if you have more knowledge about this than I will stand corrected.
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