Recruiting compliance question

[Stallion]

but obviously the publishers of an Arkansas recruiting magazine wouldn't be stupid enough to contribute time, money or volunteer to the Arkansas Athletics department because that would make them representatives of the university and jeopardize their entire business. None of these recruiting services are connected to the universities they report on. Every major university is covered by an anchor site with all kinds of ties to that university. They cover every aspect of the university and have all kinds of ties to that university. They spend their working hours on the campus or covering that university. I think you are confusing pomotimg a university with reporting on a university. The Mustang Club would be an example of an organization promoting SMU Football but not necessarily the publishers of the MustangManiacs. Every one of these recruiting services contact recruits but they are not "representatives" of the university or else they wouldn't have a business. Again, its possible that a particular individual could become a 'representative" of the university but simply running a recruiting service reporting on Arkansas sports wouldn't do it.

[mrydel]

Let me back up a little. Although I do get the impression there is something wrong in what they are doing, my true belief is that in the very least they are performing a "contact" with a potential signee, and contacts are limited. If I, as a graduate, contact recruits and sell my school, I have performed a contact and that limits the potential recruiting of the coaches. I just can not believe the coaching staff at UA has given carte blanche to a radio show to call and recruit potential athletes.

Along with that, although I have no direct proof, I do believe there are tie ins to people on the station and the University but that also may not be the case.

Regardless, there is just something that sounds wrong about a radio show calling potential recruits and promoting a school and begging them to commit.

[Peruna2001]

I just read the AD Blog and I thought I'd come over here to see what was being said.
If the radio station advertises anything from UA or broadcasts their games or anything along those lines, there is money changing hands. They have a financial interest in things that happen at the UA.
This seems to violate 2 of the rules:
· Contribute (money, time, volunteer, etc) to the Athletics Department or any of its booster clubs;
· Been involved in otherwise promoting the athletics program.

[Stallion]

Does a corporation talk on the radio. No. Simple corporate law. A corporation is an entity not a representative. A radio personality maybe an agent of the corporation but not based on the facts given of the University of Arkansas.

[EastStang]

So then its okay if BELO corporation cut checks to SMU players to induce them to play better?

[Stallion]

if anybody on the street cut a check to a player-the player would jeopardize his amateur eligibility but SMU would have no liability for that action unless the person cutting the check was a representative of the university. Otherwise, everytime a DMN employee talked to a recruit it would constitute a contact with the university-an asinine position if taken to an extreme.

[mrydel]

if anybody on the street cut a check to a player-the player would jeopardize his amateur eligibility but SMU would have no liability for that action unless the person cutting the check was a representative of the university. Otherwise, everytime a DMN employee talked to a recruit it would constitute a contact with the university-an asinine position if taken to an extreme.

No argument here but rather curiosity. If a DMN sports reporter were a former UT player and member of the Horney Club or whatever they call it, what is the situation if 1) he is interviewing the prospective recruit, and 2) he promotes UT and pleads with the kid to commit to UT during the interview. This is what I hear on the Arkansas station and is what has me confused.

[jtstang]

the Horney Club or whatever they call it,

That's exactly what they call it. I've been a member ever sent I met my wife, the UT alum.

[mrydel]

the Horney Club or whatever they call it,

That's exactly what they call it. I've been a member ever sent I met my wife, the UT alum.

Just make sure you and she have pleasant Friday evenings before using my extra seat on Saturdays.

[PK]

the Horney Club or whatever they call it,

That's exactly what they call it. I've been a member ever sent I met my wife, the UT alum.

It is taking every bit of self restraint I can muster not to drive that Mack truck through the opening you left with that statement...consider it a gift jt.

[jtstang]

the Horney Club or whatever they call it,

That's exactly what they call it. I've been a member ever sent I met my wife, the UT alum.

It is taking every bit of self restraint I can muster not to drive that Mack truck through the opening you left with that statement...consider it a gift jt.

It was meant for your entertainment PK. Your welcome.

[EastStang]

if anybody on the street cut a check to a player-the player would jeopardize his amateur eligibility but SMU would have no liability for that action unless the person cutting the check was a representative of the university. Otherwise, everytime a DMN employee talked to a recruit it would constitute a contact with the university-an asinine position if taken to an extreme.

From the NCAA rules:
"6.01 GENERAL PRINCIPLE
6.01.1 Institutional Control.
The control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s), if any, of which it is a member. Administrative control or faculty control, or a combination of the two, shall constitute institutional control."

If an institution fails to exercise that responsibility that would constitute a lack on institutional control and the institution could be punished for the behavior stated above. That's the beauty of the NCAA regimen. You are guilty if you know about it and you are guilty if you don't know about it.

[Stallion]

you're analytically jumping the gun. First, you have to establish payment or contact or whatever violation you are asserting was done by a "representative" of the university. Again, not saying it isn't possible-but those facts haven't been established by the facts under the NCAA standards listed above. Lack of Institutional Control is similar to a bifurcated trial of exemplary damages which Texas and many states have. First, you determine whether a violation occurs then you apply the Lack of Institutional Control analysis to determine whether the found violation additionally meets the heightened standard of lack of institutional control.

[ponyboy]

I hate it when my trials bifurcate.

[jtstang]

It happens.