Strange timing for our conference mates

[jtstang]

It's an institutional reference, in this instance the athletic department, and perhaps other adminstrators and/or boosters, involved in the misinformation campaign.

[ponyboy]

Makes sense. So assuming there was a misinformation campaign, why do you think Tubbs has kept his mouth shut? Wouldn't he want to defend himself if all that's there is burgers and cheer?

[jtstang]

No idea. May be part of his buyout deal. He was not just sent packing with no payment as you recall, but got some small percentage of the remainder of his contract. But make no mistake, he was not fired for violations--when SMU fires somebody for violations, we are advised specifically what those violations are. See Steve Malin.

[Bergermeister]

I have resigned myself to the fact that we will never be told the truth

Hallelujah!

[The XtC]

[quote="jtstang"]No idea. May be part of his buyout deal. He was not just sent packing with no payment as you recall, but got some small percentage of the remainder of his contract. But make no mistake, he was not fired for violations--when SMU fires somebody for violations, we are advised specifically what those violations are. See Steve Malin.[/quote]

Not to pick nits, but it wasn't a small percentage, his contract was paid in full. A clause in his contract prevents him from discussing it publicly, but the DMN did report that the settlement exceeded $600,000.

This should have been the tip-off for all but the most obtuse, head-in-the-sand, "banking on it", delusional Copeland corporate line sheep. If there were serious violations, Jimmy would have been fired "with cause" and received nothing. Major infractions would have voided his contract.

There are no "sealed documents", you haven't heard anything because there isnt anything to hear about. The NCAA doesnt keep violations a secret, their findings are a matter of public record. They haven't said anything because there is nothing to say, we haven't been punished because there was nothing to punish.

It's sad how some of you are so desperate to cling to your fantasies.

JT, I'm going to ask you one more time to drop this. Everytime I see a thread like this it makes me want to throw up.

[jtstang]

Sorry man, I know it bothers you. It just pisses me off that we have to hear stuff like this from you instead of the SMU people who should be telling us. It is recklessness of the highest degree for our own administrators, with knowledge of our history with the NCAA, to make a public statement about pending violations and just leave everyone hanging.

[goponies1]

Tubbs was paid $325K for year 3 of his contract and $350K for the final year of his contract according to a friend that knew the prior staff. As of now it appears that all violations are secondary in nature. We will know if this is a major violations case if SMU is called before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. Kansas and Oklahoma have both been called during the past year. It would appear unlikely that this will happen as it has been 16 months since Tubbs was dismissed but one never knows with the NCAA. The media will be alerted should SMU's Athletic Department and Tubbs be called before this committee. Like XTc said there is no sealed documents or secrets. The violations will be deemed either secondary or major. If it is found to be a major violation then there is likely to be probation and probably a loss of scholarships and other recruiting activites such as number of recruiting days etc.

[Stallion]

I agree with XTC except for one point. Coaches involved in recruiting violations are often paid a settlement on their contract despite the fact they could be fired for cause. Even Bobby Collins was paid a large sum on his contract. The Reason it avoids costly inevitable litigation and includes a confidentiality clause. You don't think SMU wanted Bobby Collins writing a book about big cats of this university who authorized the continued payment on the payroll and in fact condoned the conduct. How can you fire an employee for cause when his employer authorized and condoned the conduct? Would have made for an interesting and juicy lawsuit since Collins was just following the orders of the CEO and Board of Govenors. Despite SMU's "thorough investigation" several involved members of the Board of Govenors refused to cooperate with SMU or the NCAA. So the fact that Tubbs was not fired for cause really doesn't tell you much. All former SMU Coaches since the DP have had a confidentialty clause and not coincidentally none of them have had much to say about the mess on the Hilltop.

[ponyboy]

So it's entirely possible that SMU has done the right thing here and there is no grassy knoll. We've reported to the NCAA, paid Tubbs' contract in full, and have moved on. SMU hasn't commented beyond Copeland's statements a year and half ago because there's no need to drag us all through it again. It helps nothing to assume otherwise and it helps nothing to continue to ask for an explanation. Best to lay low and stop bringing the subject up even in the form of cute jokes about burgers and cheer.

[jtstang]

SMU hasn't commented beyond Copeland's statements a year and half ago because there's no need to drag us all through it again. It helps nothing to assume otherwise and it helps nothing to continue to ask for an explanation. Best to lay low and stop bringing the subject up even in the form of cute jokes about burgers and cheer.

I disagree. That means the last thing said was about serious violations. If not true, that's not a very appropriate thing to leave hanging out there. I thought SMU was a good Christian school. And burgers and Cheer has woven is way into the SMU fabric. Sorry about that if it bothers you.

[ponyboy]

SMU, unfortunately, is not a very good Christian school. As a matter of fact we're hardly deserving of the name even in Perkins. But that's another subject.

SMU believed that Tubbs' violations were of a sufficient gravity to report them to the NCAA and to release Tubbs of his duties here. The NCAA, being the capricious institution that it is, may call us in to account for them and will most certainly be more inclined to do so if certain members of the public continue to bring it back up. Best to lay low unless you're *certain* SMU's in the wrong for firing Jimmy Tubbs. I've seen nothing to make me feel certain of that and are therefore inclined to trust the leadership on this issue.

Burgers and cheer is funny but counterproductive, that's all I'm saying. Give it a rest.

[jtstang]

SMU believed that Tubbs' violations were of a sufficient gravity to report them to the NCAA and to release Tubbs of his duties here.

And to announce to the public through the press that the "violations" were more serious than previously reported without saying what they were. You forgot that part.

And I seriously doubt that the NCAA is going to drop the drop the hammer on SMU because jtstang is posting burgers and Cheer jokes on ponyfans. Anyway, regarding trust, go back and read Prof X's post above, you trust him, right? And you know he speaks the truth. Do not trust the leadership, they have not acted trustworthy in this matter. Anyway I'll give it a rest for now as you ask, unless you want to continue.

[Blunt Pony]

Sorry...I didn't mean to post over your head. My point is that the true Texas fan doesn't care what the Texas athletic department does as long as it wins...get my drift? See the corollary?

No I do not . We are not winning, and our AD got up at the podium and said Tubbs was fired for violations, VIOLATIONS mind you, beyond what was reported in the paper. I am a true SMU fan and I deserve to know and want to know the truth about those violations. I cannot relate to what a fan of a winning program would want to know or not care about...nobody who cheers for SMU can.

Now having said all of that, I have resigned myself to the fact that we will never be told the truth, that we already know all we ever will, that we will have to live with SMU's deceit, and that we are moving on with Doherty. And I like the direction he is taking the team. It still doesn't make what SMU did to Tubbs right. The only reason I bring it up occasionally, as with many things, is the entertainment value I get out of seeing how up in arms I can get the fellow posters over trivial items.

As I have said many times before, have you ever considered that it is in both parties interest (Tubbs and SMU's) to sweep this whole thing under the rug? You are starting to sound like these crazy government conspiracy theorists who feel that if we do not disclose troop positions and when we are going to launch military offensives that "the people are being lied to." You even admit that you do not care how the athletic department is run (Texas) as long as they win. Now they just have to win.

[jtstang]

As I have said many times before, have you ever considered that it is in both parties interest (Tubbs and SMU's) to sweep this whole thing under the rug?

Yes.

[smu diamond m]

As I have said many times before, have you ever considered that it is in both parties interest (Tubbs and SMU's) to sweep this whole thing under the rug?

Yes.

And you came to the conclusion that you still want to moan and groan and see just how much crap can hit the [pony]fan?