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Postby icehawks18 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:27 pm

Yeah, Bennett is horrible.

UTEP converted 2 fake punts, we had a botched field goal, UTEP converted several fourth-and-longs, converted an onside kick to start off the 2nd half, and my favorite - our poorly-coached kick returner RAN HIS BUTT OFF to field a terrible kickoff spiraling easily out of bounds around the 12? following a UTEP TD - well, he ran so hard, caught it and (making a beautiful play) got both feet tip-tapped inbounds so we could have the ball around the 10. We would have either had the ball at the 40 (out of bounds) or 20 (if it went in the end-zone). Just plain to see: poor coaching.

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Postby Hoop Fan » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:30 pm

lets not get carried away, don't we have some of the best field goal execution in the country the past two years? unless you are ready to give bennett credit for that, it takes cred from your argument.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:31 pm

You do realize you didn't identify a single coaching decision made by Bennett. All you identified are physical/mental mistakes by players. If may make you feel all warm and fuzzy to claim its all Bennett's fault but Coaches coach - players play.
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Postby icehawks18 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:43 pm

whatever. yeah - lazy mental mistakes from players occur when they don't receive adequate coaching... from Spring ball, through two-a-days, through fall ball, and practice during the week. watch a major program, that [deleted] doesn't happen like it does for us.

period.

maybe i didn't identify the aforementioned (in 37 other posts below) poor game-day coaching decisions by Bennett (even my mom knows that we wouldnt get another play at the end of the half, somehow Bennett didn't) but the fact of the matter is we are a poorly coached squad. we have talent! we damn sure have more than UTEP.

and yes, i get warm and fuzzy feelings - when i drink myself to sleep after another piss-poor heart-breaking SMU loss.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:47 pm

oh we have more talent based on your exhaustive reseaerch. Where are all of our 4 star recruiting who totaled 406 yards of total offense. And I do watch big programs-I've seen a helluva lot more big programs than you-and big programs have quality talent. In particular SMU most certainly does not.
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Postby PonyKai » Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:49 pm

Well gee whiz maybe we ought to draft her up a contract to coach the team! Look regardless of how baffling or upsetting or bizarre his game-day coaching is, he IS a head coach for a reason and he HAS been one for six years now. If he truly had the coaching IQ of a rock, sorry, he would have been gone by now. If he really was this incompetent [deleted] absolutely lost at the idea of having to try and win a game, he would have been gone.

So as much [deleted] as people want to do about him being such an absolutely atrocious coach in every aspect of the game, by all means pick up a clip-board or stop moaning and whining. Players win, coaches lose. He may have wound up in over his head and unable to either recruit well enough or execute the game plan well enough to win enough, but he's not some catatonic coma victim dragged onto the sideline each week.
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Postby BrianTinBigD » Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:34 pm

I can think of 3 stupid situations where PB cost us.

1. Not realizing what the rules were and the end of the half and then going postal and costing us 15 yards. Made the onside kick a simple decision for UTEP and it cost us seven.
2. With less than 5 minutes to go in the 4th Qtr and we are still snapping the ball with 21, 15 , 6 seconds on the play clock and the clock was running. That kept 40 seconds on the clock that would not have been there for UTEP on the last drive.
3. My 3rd and final stupid coaching moment was with 5:19 to go and the ball on the UTEP 27. This is the punt where UTEP gets busted for holding on their 15 but the punter gets off a 53 yard punt. PB decides to add the 10 yards to the end of the kick. The net is 42 yards. We did he not have them re-kick. I was livid at the game and when I re-watched the game I was still upset and the announcers also were stunned.

Throw in the poor special teams play and you see why PB is more of a liability as your Head Coach.
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Re: indicative of POOR COACHING

Postby perunapower » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:16 pm

icehawks18 wrote:Yeah, Bennett is horrible.

UTEP converted 2 fake punts, we had a botched field goal, UTEP converted several fourth-and-longs, converted an onside kick to start off the 2nd half, and my favorite - our poorly-coached kick returner RAN HIS BUTT OFF to field a terrible kickoff spiraling easily out of bounds around the 12? following a UTEP TD - well, he ran so hard, caught it and (making a beautiful play) got both feet tip-tapped inbounds so we could have the ball around the 10. We would have either had the ball at the 40 (out of bounds) or 20 (if it went in the end-zone). Just plain to see: poor coaching.

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UTEP converted 1 fake punt. UTEP converted 1 4th down on their fake punt (it was a 4th and 8 ). Botched snaps happen. You just want to keep them to a minimum. Now the onside kick and some of the choices for returning the ball (or even catching it) are very questionable. If you're going to make claims, at least look up the facts. Look at the friggin' box score!
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Postby thefamousguy » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:36 pm

Stlhockeyguy02 wrote:Well gee whiz maybe we ought to draft her up a contract to coach the team! Look regardless of how baffling or upsetting or bizarre his game-day coaching is, he IS a head coach for a reason and he HAS been one for six years now. If he truly had the coaching IQ of a rock, sorry, he would have been gone by now. If he really was this incompetent [deleted] absolutely lost at the idea of having to try and win a game, he would have been gone.

So as much [deleted] as people want to do about him being such an absolutely atrocious coach in every aspect of the game, by all means pick up a clip-board or stop moaning and whining. Players win, coaches lose. He may have wound up in over his head and unable to either recruit well enough or execute the game plan well enough to win enough, but he's not some catatonic coma victim dragged onto the sideline each week.


You are so ignorant! Just because Phil is still our coach doesn't mean he is competent or knows what the H@LL he's doing as a head coach. By the way after we lose at least 3 more games he will NO LONGER BE THE HEAD COACH.

If coaching weren't important they wouldn't give them millions of dollars to instruct and put those athletes in a position to succeed. I'll admit there are a few players who shouldn't be on the field due to a lack of talent(namely at Safety). Some of the mistakes made by those players are unavoidable due to inability.

Who evaluated and signed those players? Bennett. Stallion your Systematic arguments are invalid. Look at Navy. They aren't loaded with 4 and 5 star athletes but they have won a whole lot more than SMU over the last 20 years.

You guys are so ignorant.
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Postby thefamousguy » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:41 pm

Stallion wrote:oh we have more talent based on your exhaustive reseaerch. Where are all of our 4 star recruiting who totaled 406 yards of total offense. And I do watch big programs-I've seen a helluva lot more big programs than you-and big programs have quality talent. In particular SMU most certainly does not.


How many 4 or 5 star athletes does Navy sign each year Stallion? They have had more success than SMU over the last 20 years.

How many 4 or 5 star athletes does Boise State sign each year?

How many 4 and 5 star athletes does TCU sign each year?
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Postby Pony94 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:15 pm

I am tired of hearing about being "out athleted" or which ranking our receruits are, or that our players not executing the plays and that is not the coaches fault.

If a player is not fast enough to run away from a tackler or not fast enough to catch up to an opposing runner, then yes, there is nothing a coach can do about that on game day. If a player drops a pass or makes the wrong read or executes a play wrong, then there is nothing a coach can do on game day.

HOWEVER , every thing that a player does or does not do in a game can be worked on. The coach can address mistakes and teach and prepare for the next time the same situation comes up. Whatever it is that our coaches are doing in practices is not showing up. I honestly belive we should be and could have been 4-1, however, our coaches have let us down. A game plan suited to our players would make the difference.

How many people on this board have said, run the ball to keep our defense off of the field. We all know that our defense is a liability, so why do we not have a game plan that takes this into account? We should be running as much time off the clock while we are on offense.

Does our offense suit our the players we have, or is it all that we know how to coach? You can't tell me that Texas Tech has great athletes, but they have a game plan and an offense that works for their players. They teach it to the point they could do it in their sleep.

AS MOST HAVE SAID, THIS IS A COACHING PROBLEM! I feel for the players that hoped they would grow and learn as a player, they are not improving throughout their time here.

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Postby Stallion » Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:17 pm

This is an old tired argument that small visioned people like you drag out because you can't explain what you are seeing. Why don't you educate yourself before spouting off your genuis conclusions. Admit it you don't have the first clue about what is going on except what you see on 5 Saturdays during the season. You don't want to admit that the two most highly recruited players on the field combined for 406 yards-so you just dismiss the idea that could be a major reason we lost and draw your own uneducated conclusions. Guess what-I'm not willing to dismiss the correlation between the 2 Top Recruited players making plays to win the game. As for the others

Navy has unlimited players they can sign- in a particular year they can sign 75-100 players per class if its anything like the Air Force/Prep School they have in Colorado Springs. Air Force was kicking all the Service Academies [deleted] so Navy started its own Prep School System-now Navy is kicking some [deleted]. Navy does not operate under NCAA recruiting requirements. I've posted stories on this numerous times. Our DT Leonard was one of those Prep players at its Naval Academy Prep and he is starting at SMU. In other words a B-team Prep player for Navy starts the next year at SMU.
TCU has outrecruited SMU in 16 out of the last 17 years and arguably in 17 out of 17 years. They have recruited better than any non-BCS school over the last 12 years or so and have what 9 bowl games, 4 conference championships and been in the Top 10(3 times?) and in the Top 20 numerous other times.
Boise St. who knows what they are doing? I do know they rely on some JUCOs. I admit I've never got a good handle what is going on in the Mountain states and the Recruiting services don't either. I'd be willing to bet they they have very lax admission standards though. Don't believe me go do a Rivals recruiting search for any of the last 4 years-limit your search to JUCOs and Prep School players and check out the pages of pages of players SMU has traditional rarely recruited.
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Postby icehawks18 » Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:35 pm

yep .. i'm an idiot. i made a bunch of bad arguments..

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Postby Pony94 » Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:34 am

Careful about bringing up USF...Stallion will now let you know that none of the kids at USF could even get into SMU, so you are comparing oranges to rotten apples.
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Postby EmeraldCityPony » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:33 am

icehawks18 wrote:whatever. yeah - lazy mental mistakes from players occur when they don't receive adequate coaching... from Spring ball, through two-a-days, through fall ball, and practice during the week. watch a major program, that [deleted] doesn't happen like it does for us.


That's an ignorant statement. USC almost handed the game to Washington last Saturday because of poor execution by the players. But I guess that Pete Carroll does not give them adequate coaching?
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