Interesting Analysis of UT Recruiting From Rivals

[Stallion]

Here are the finishes inrecruiting classes since 2002:

2002: 1st (28 signees)
2003: 15th (18 signees) (tied for 15th with okie state)
2004: 10th (20 signees)
2005: 20th (15 signees)
2006: 5th (25 signees)
2007: 5th (24 signees)
2008: ??

Count 4-5 years to see trends. 4 years after 2002 resulted in the 2005 National Championship(ie 2002 Class were Seniors or Redshirted Juniors). But talent leveled off for the players composing the Seniors, Juniors and Redshirted Juniors-Note also 3 straight small classes where Texas signed an average of only 17 players per year. Average Class rank from 2003-2005 composing the upperclasses was only 15th in the Country. Here's another example of Rivals spotting a downturn in talent.

[Stallion]

Meanwhile OU was taking much higher rated, larger Classes:

2003(24 Players) Ranked 4th Nationally
2004 (18 Players) Ranked 8th
2005 (27 Players) Ranked 3rd

Yearly Average: 23 Players Class Average Rank: 5th

Did Rivals forecast a change in the balance of power in the Big 12 South?

[Stallion]

BTW Rivals' analysis also works at the bottom-guess which school has finished at the Bottom of Big 12 Recruiting each year since at least 2002?

BAYLOR(Composite Big 12 Conference Record 8-34)

Number 1 quality in a Head Coach an ability to recruit and hire a Staff of Recruiters.

[OR-See-Nee]

What is TB's track record as a recruiter? Can he recruit in today's market, since he's been out of coaching so long?

[Stallion]

actually his reputation and the conventional wisdom is that recruiting dropped off precipitously during his tenure. After starting 21-1 or something with Pat Dye's players Auburn's program faltered badly with his own recruits. Too old to really double check the often wrong conventional wisdom but that's what you hear from Auburn types. You'd also want to analyze what effects probation may have had-because I'm pretty sure Auburn was on some sort of probation during the end of the Dye years. Just like at OU where Gary Gibbs got all the blame for sizeable recruiting sanctions on scholarships during the Switzer days. In those days the NCAA was much more willing to levy sizeable reductions in scholarship limits-very rare these days.

[Stallion]

Yes Bowden was dealing with a substantial probation when he took over but I'm not sure how many scholarships were involved. However, this was a long drawn out nasty affair that resulted in the dismissal of Pat Dye so I'm sure it caused a negative drag on recruiting. Here's an excerpt from an article below:


Few Auburn fans will forget the 1993 season in which the team finished without a loss under first-year coach Terry Bowden. But the NCAA did not allow the Tigers to claim an SEC championship and barred the team from playing in a bowl.

The NCAA found that Eric Ramsey, a former Auburn player, received improper gifts from coaches and boosters. Former coach Pat Dye was accused of obtaining an unsecured loan for $9,209 for Ramsey from Colonial Bank in Auburn. Not only that, Ramsey tape-recorded his conversations with coaches, including Pat Dye.

Auburn was put on a two-year probation, including a bowl ban and a television ban for 1993. The staggered release of the tapes caused a sensation and gave the NCAA all it needed to punish Auburn.

The incident forced Dye to retire early and let Bowden inherit a team that had been built with the help of cheating. Bowden took the team to an unimaginable height, but it had precedent. It was the third time Auburn had gone undefeated the same year it been on probation. It was put on a three-year probation in January of 1957 and went undefeated in 1957 and 1958.

[abezontar]

what can the average fan do to change the model at SMU?

[Stallion]

That's up to you. I've never gone on a crusade to stop going to games or give to the Mustang Club. That's up to each of you. What I have done is gone to each and every game and refused to give to the Mustang Club until I am convinced that SMU is on an even playing field. Also, because I have a better understanding of what has been going on at SMU and the NCAA since 1989-I try to educate those that don't by repeatedly proposing a reasonable, competitive Model that is necessary to compete with our natural and traditional rivals and supporting my points with as much factual information as possible to stoke the debate. My biggest frustration is that there doesn't seem to be a prominent voice loudly proclaiming the benefits and requirements for a strong nationally competitive athletic program like there should be. In short, I think SMU is satisfied with being mediocre in a poor conference-because I see very little sign that SMU is truly committed to being Top 25 in any sport that matters. Since the leaders of this university and alumni don't want to play that role then I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and leave these points left unsaid. Each probably has a different role to play depending on the circumstance.

[PonyKai]

That's up to you. I've never gone on a crusade to stop going to games or give to the Mustang Club. That's up to each of you. What I have done is gone to each and every game and refused to give to the Mustang Club until I am convinced that SMU is on an even playing field. Also, because I have a better understanding of what has been going on at SMU and the NCAA since 1989-I try to educate those that don't by repeatedly proposing a reasonable, competitive Model that is necessary to compete with our natural and traditional rivals and supporting my points with as much factual information as possible to stoke the debate. My biggest frustration is that there doesn't seem to be a prominent voice loudly proclaiming the benefits and requirements for a strong nationally competitive athletic program like there should be. In short, I think SMU is satisfied with being mediocre in a poor conference-because I see very little sign that SMU is truly committed to being Top 25 in any sport that matters. Since the leaders of this university and alumni don't want to play that role then I'll be damned if I'm going to sit back and leave these points left unsaid. Each probably has a different role to play depending on the circumstance.

Can you say them louder? Say...louder then simply on a message board where other small fish read it?

[expony18]

does rivals charge per minute?

[davidsmu94]

YAY!

[PK]

does rivals charge per minute?

Obviously not...Stallion couldn't afford that.

[abezontar]

I'm sure there is a client that is being billed for it.

[expony18]

I'm sure there is a client that is being billed for it.

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[expony18]

does rivals charge per minute?

Obviously not...Stallion couldn't afford that.

im trying to decide whether to choose lexis or rivals when i graduate.... i guess we all know what Stallion chose