Basketball Recruiting Update

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Dallas Diehard, you said that these players (I assume you’re talking about the current freshmen) are better than the ones we’ve had in the past? What are you basing that on? NONE of the incoming freshmen were as highly ranked nationally as Derrick Roberts, Bamba Fall or Devon Pearson. I hope you’re right and these guys turn out to be great players for SMU, but just because they were brought in by Doherty doesn’t guarantee anything....like some people on here want to believe. Many of whom have probably never seen any of the recruits shoot a basket.

I'd like to know what you are basing that on. I do not recall Bamba being rated as a top prospect. Granted rating services aren't the be all end all but I think he was a 2 star by rivals. D-Rob was a 3 star recruit and one of the top players in Texas his year- I want to say maybe ranked as #10 in the state. Pearson I don't recall any of his rankings but I do remember he was pretty highly recruited and maybe a finalist for McDonalds All-American (did I make that up?).

Thats three players OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD and 10 total recruits that you are commenting on. For comparsion's sake Dia I think was as highly rated or higher than anyone you listed above. Offers from Oklahoma and Louisville which he turned down to come here. Harp was the #14 player in the state with offers to Texas Tech, Wake Forest, and others. I would venture to say his list of offers was more impressive than D-Rob. Malone, Nayakundi, Rhodes, and TK were all 3 star reruits as well I think. Maybe one was a two-star.

I'm interested to see what your basis for this is.

[Ponymon]

Dallas Diehard, you said that these players (I assume you’re talking about the current freshmen) are better than the ones we’ve had in the past? What are you basing that on? NONE of the incoming freshmen were as highly ranked nationally as Derrick Roberts, Bamba Fall or Devon Pearson. I hope you’re right and these guys turn out to be great players for SMU, but just because they were brought in by Doherty doesn’t guarantee anything....like some people on here want to believe. Many of whom have probably never seen any of the recruits shoot a basket.

I'd like to know what you are basing that on. I do not recall Bamba being rated as a top prospect. Granted rating services aren't the be all end all but I think he was a 2 star by rivals. D-Rob was a 3 star recruit and one of the top players in Texas his year- I want to say maybe ranked as #10 in the state. Pearson I don't recall any of his rankings but I do remember he was pretty highly recruited and maybe a finalist for McDonalds All-American (did I make that up?).

Thats three players OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD and 10 total recruits that you are commenting on. For comparsion's sake Dia I think was as highly rated or higher than anyone you listed above. Offers from Oklahoma and Louisville which he turned down to come here. Harp was the #14 player in the state with offers to Texas Tech, Wake Forest, and others. I would venture to say his list of offers was more impressive than D-Rob. Malone, Nayakundi, Rhodes, and TK were all 3 star reruits as well I think. Maybe one was a two-star.

I'm interested to see what your basis for this is.

Walker was the only 2 star. The rest of last years class are 3 stars per Rivals.

[SMU Football Blog]

How many seasons has Doherty been the coach? Oh, yeah. One.

[LA_Mustang]

Actually, Doherty has been here a year and a half. If he is on the Tubbs timeline, he has about seven more months to turn it around. Tubbs went 27-30, so Doherty needs to go at least 13-13 this year.....and hopefully not [deleted] off any influential alums with a relative on the team. Neither in their first one and a half years landed a top local recruit, so it is a push there.

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Actually, Doherty has been here a year and a half. If he is on the Tubbs timeline, he has about seven more months to turn it around. Tubbs went 27-30, so Doherty needs to go at least 13-13 this year.....and hopefully not [deleted] off any influential alums with a relative on the team. Neither in their first one and a half years landed a top local recruit, so it is a push there.

The comparison is not apples to apples. Doherty has an easier schedule than Tubbs had. Tubbs came into a vastly more talented roster than Doherty did. Plus many other factors I am sure that I am not thinking of off the top of my head. Difficult to quantify but the constant Tubbs' defense is truly getting very old.

[PonyDoh]

Actually, Doherty has been here a year and a half. If he is on the Tubbs timeline, he has about seven more months to turn it around. Tubbs went 27-30, so Doherty needs to go at least 13-13 this year.....and hopefully not [deleted] off any influential alums with a relative on the team. Neither in their first one and a half years landed a top local recruit, so it is a push there.

The comparison is not apples to apples. Doherty has an easier schedule than Tubbs had. Tubbs came into a vastly more talented roster than Doherty did. Plus many other factors I am sure that I am not thinking of off the top of my head. Difficult to quantify but the constant Tubbs' defense is truly getting very old.

Tubbs was took a roster w/some talent, and in 2 years, left the roster bare. BTW, I could care less about local recruits. Big time privates recruit nationally. They are never popular at home. We may not be on that level yet, but its easier to sell a kid that comes from Oakland or Detroit, and is blown away by the weather, campus, girls, practice facilities, than a local. When it comes to revenues, locals don't think much of the Ponies

[Ponymon]

Actually, Doherty has been here a year and a half. If he is on the Tubbs timeline, he has about seven more months to turn it around. Tubbs went 27-30, so Doherty needs to go at least 13-13 this year.....and hopefully not [deleted] off any influential alums with a relative on the team. Neither in their first one and a half years landed a top local recruit, so it is a push there.

The comparison is not apples to apples. Doherty has an easier schedule than Tubbs had. Tubbs came into a vastly more talented roster than Doherty did. Plus many other factors I am sure that I am not thinking of off the top of my head. Difficult to quantify but the constant Tubbs' defense is truly getting very old.

Tubbs was took a roster w/some talent, and in 2 years, left the roster bare. BTW, I could care less about local recruits. Big time privates recruit nationally. They are never popular at home. We may not be on that level yet, but its easier to sell a kid that comes from Oakland or Detroit, and is blown away by the weather, campus, girls, practice facilities, than a local. When it comes to revenues, locals don't think much of the Ponies

I think that is where Bennett made his mistake. It might be easier to get higher quality recruits out of the local area rather than in it.

[mavsrage311]

Actually, Doherty has been here a year and a half. If he is on the Tubbs timeline, he has about seven more months to turn it around. Tubbs went 27-30, so Doherty needs to go at least 13-13 this year.....and hopefully not [deleted] off any influential alums with a relative on the team. Neither in their first one and a half years landed a top local recruit, so it is a push there.

The comparison is not apples to apples. Doherty has an easier schedule than Tubbs had. Tubbs came into a vastly more talented roster than Doherty did. Plus many other factors I am sure that I am not thinking of off the top of my head. Difficult to quantify but the constant Tubbs' defense is truly getting very old.

Tubbs was took a roster w/some talent, and in 2 years, left the roster bare. BTW, I could care less about local recruits. Big time privates recruit nationally. They are never popular at home. We may not be on that level yet, but its easier to sell a kid that comes from Oakland or Detroit, and is blown away by the weather, campus, girls, practice facilities, than a local. When it comes to revenues, locals don't think much of the Ponies

I think that is where Bennett made his mistake. It might be easier to get higher quality recruits out of the local area rather than in it.

Yes and no, football is a much different animal, and if he went after and got better talent, instead of ignoring it...maybe things would be different for Bennett and SMU. It just seems like he doesnt even try for the big fish

[Stallion]

Seriously let's not go there-Basketball Recruiting is about scouting National Basketball Camps where hundreds of elite players can be seen at a single venue. Football Coaches don't have that luxury. Nevertheless it appears likely that SMU may have increased the recruiting budget for BB.

[EastStang]

Stallion, for years I have been advocating recruiting in So Cal, DC, NY, Chicago, Detroit only to get from you that we should focus on Texas for our basketball recruits because after all, the greatest players are in Texas. It appears that you are finally coming around to my thinking on this. Basketball is a sport where if you have just 5 really good players you can make a solid run. With 10 you're unbeatable. If you can get five players from any spot in the Country that are great talents you get them. A guy who scores 40 points a game for a losing team in the Metro Conference in DC is probably someone you want to take a run at. A guy who is the point guard on a winning team in the Metro conference but doesn't score much, is someone you might want to look at. Why because that player succeeded against top competition day in and day out. Same for Chicago, NY, LA, and Detroit.

[EP Pony Fan]

Not to sound anti-Texan, but I'd take the top 5 out of D.C. every year and forego the rest of the players in the country, and I'd win a hell of a lot of games.

[Stallion]

I have no problem with national recruiting in BB-but SMU needs Dallas recruiting too in the long term to build a strong program. SMU BB has always had success in Dallas-and success in Dallas recruiting will make the program stronger. In FB, national recruiting is an economic issue which I'll leave to the head coach and his analysis of the cost effectiveness and a limited budget. Just recognizing that national football recruiting on the Doherty scale may be cost prohibitive.

[EastStang]

Thanks for the clarification.

[papawasamustang]

Chris Otule committed to Marquette over the weekend.
Still in the running for Stutz. Hopefully we get the big man.

[mathman]

Don't know if it has been mentioned, but I just noticed that Rivals has put a 2 star rating on Justin Haynes. Still no mention of Chris Clarke. Appears he is not even in their system.