One has a TI calculator, the other has an abacus.perunapower wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:perunapower wrote:Wow. Ok I'll prove he is majoring in Finance.
http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forte_matt01.html
Go look for yourself.
Maybe he changed his mind. I don't know. All I know is that Tulane says he's majoring in Finance which we have too.
Never said wasn't majoring in finance. I am telling you that one finance department is different than the other!
Would you like to expand upon that? How are they different?
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by Statler » Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:06 pm
MrMustang1965 wrote:One has a TI calculator, the other has an abacus.perunapower wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:perunapower wrote:Wow. Ok I'll prove he is majoring in Finance.
http://tulanegreenwave.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/forte_matt01.html
Go look for yourself.
Maybe he changed his mind. I don't know. All I know is that Tulane says he's majoring in Finance which we have too.
Never said wasn't majoring in finance. I am telling you that one finance department is different than the other!
Would you like to expand upon that? How are they different?
Better than an Aggie calculator....
WAIT, our coach is an Aggie
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by Stallion » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:01 am
I'm still trying to figure out how Justin could be related to both Matt Forte AND Tech's Jamar Walls(right?) -pretty good bloodlines.
Anyway I've stopped trying to figure out what SMU's GPA/SAT standards for football players are because they are generally confidential. I do know they have been relaxed probably twice.
Prior to 2000 when they streamlined admissions-SMU quite clearly had a policy of admitting players with something like a 1050+ or they would have to be admitted under a special admissions policy that included special interviews with a faculty committee and analysis of a special written sample. Further, SMU could not offer players until they had been fully admitted into the university-essentially tying one hand behind its back in the new age of early commitments. Of course, if a kid had alternatives he went elsewhere. IT was extremely stupid and Gregg, Rossley, Cavan, Shumate essentially had little chance of building a truly competitive, consistent program.
Then when the system was streamlined in 2001 there were three categories. Basically the third category were those scoring less than either 900 or 925 SAT (old test) and I want to say a 2.8 GPA. I retained this streamlined policy on my computer because I knew it would come up. However, the link has expired. Players falling in this third category no longer had the writing assignment but still had their transcripts specially reviewed by a faculty committee.
The Category 3 policy was the last published pronouncement from SMU on admissions of marginal student/athletes-so I assume its still in effect. How it works in practice and in reality is anybody's question because of the confidentiality of the information. Category 3 could be what BigDaddy is referring to.
Since 2001 I have not been able to draw many conclusions due to the tightening up of academic information that is released. Basically, it appears to me that SMU does admit SOME athletes with SATs and GPAs well below the Category 3 upper limits. Another factor is that a kid might have a nice GPA but might have a low Core GPA which is what is really analysed under NCAA rules. Also, SMU clearly required an extra 2 core curiculum hours which hindered admission-because quite frankly a good number of recruits really could care less about SMU's admission standards if they could get admitted to another school under NCAA rules. We can conclude that while most every school except Rice and probably Tulane have had many players who signed in February but failed to qualify by September, SMU has had I believe only one who was even been close to a real borderline qualification issue. Columbus Givens signed both an SMU Letter of Intent and a JUCO letter of intent which often happens with borderline qualification recruits. However, for all I know Givens could have had an outstanding GPA and SAT but he was concerned about meeting the extra Core requirement.
We do know that these types of exceptions-if there are any others I am not aware of-are few and extremely far between because as far as I know all SMU FB and BB recruits in the last 18 years have fully qualified by August-if not fully on track to qualify by signing date in February. Tech, TCU, Baylor, A&M, UTEP and just about every other school we play or have played in CUSA and the WAC and in non-conference except probably Rice and Tulane have had a lot of kids fail to qualify just about each and every year. Surprisingly, UT probably has had less than the rest.
That's how we dug our hole-and yes those handicaps lasted well into the Bennett tenure. Count 4-5 years from each policy and those subsequent teams were directly affected. The negative synergy affect of 13-18 years of this crap and losing is less easily quantified but real nonetheless.
However, Bennett easily has had the most relaxed admission standards under which to operate. Its up to you guys to make your own judgments as to how much he has been hindered in building the program. I'm quite sure that none of us have access to the real numbers that we can definitely draw well founded conclusions on the GPA/SAT issues and that's why I have not dwelled on them for several years.
Mike Cavan had one player get on the field under the relaxed admission standards-and that was Shanderrick Charles whose class was the first class under the relaxed standards. He was the only freshman to play in that Class as a freshman. Yes, Bennett suffered the continued affects and consequences of 13-18 years of incredibily stupid admission standards
As for Tulane and Rice I know I have seen written reports written by the schools themselves and published on the internet(including ponyfans.com) that state unequivocally that they have a substantial, large collection of recruits who are admitted to those schools under a special admission standards-however, their standards are pretty darn high. For what its worth Bennett did complain in a fit of anger in his 0 for year I believe that Rice and Tulane could get special admits into school that he couldn't-I can't really document that but its is worth noting that he stated that in public.
Rice and Tulane have had a big advantage over SMU though because they have essentially had a special curriculum for athletes and a large percentage of athletes congregated into those majors with shall we say less rigorous standards. Now those were the conclusions of Rice and Tulane themselves based upon their own written reports published on the internet as of 2-3 years ago. I couldn't say definitely what those schools standards are today.
Also, the DMN did a story about 2-3 years ago showing quite clearly that SMU had the smallest concentration of athletes in any particular major-and at SMU that major was business hardly an easy major. Rice and Tulane had large congregations of athletes in less rigorous curriculum.
Not even going to get into the very real competitive disadvantages of SMU's inability to get Division 1A transfers, JUCOs, late qualifiers and Prep school players et al because it was not raised above. Suffice to say that SMU FB and BB has been beaten by conference champions and bowl teams by UTEP, Tulsa, TCU, Tech, UH and every team in the CUSA East and the WAC with star, key players in these categories in both FB and BB-all of which have loaded up on BCS transfers (generally quite prominent 3-4-5 star recruits) and JUCOs.
Anyway I've stopped trying to figure out what SMU's GPA/SAT standards for football players are because they are generally confidential. I do know they have been relaxed probably twice.
Prior to 2000 when they streamlined admissions-SMU quite clearly had a policy of admitting players with something like a 1050+ or they would have to be admitted under a special admissions policy that included special interviews with a faculty committee and analysis of a special written sample. Further, SMU could not offer players until they had been fully admitted into the university-essentially tying one hand behind its back in the new age of early commitments. Of course, if a kid had alternatives he went elsewhere. IT was extremely stupid and Gregg, Rossley, Cavan, Shumate essentially had little chance of building a truly competitive, consistent program.
Then when the system was streamlined in 2001 there were three categories. Basically the third category were those scoring less than either 900 or 925 SAT (old test) and I want to say a 2.8 GPA. I retained this streamlined policy on my computer because I knew it would come up. However, the link has expired. Players falling in this third category no longer had the writing assignment but still had their transcripts specially reviewed by a faculty committee.
The Category 3 policy was the last published pronouncement from SMU on admissions of marginal student/athletes-so I assume its still in effect. How it works in practice and in reality is anybody's question because of the confidentiality of the information. Category 3 could be what BigDaddy is referring to.
Since 2001 I have not been able to draw many conclusions due to the tightening up of academic information that is released. Basically, it appears to me that SMU does admit SOME athletes with SATs and GPAs well below the Category 3 upper limits. Another factor is that a kid might have a nice GPA but might have a low Core GPA which is what is really analysed under NCAA rules. Also, SMU clearly required an extra 2 core curiculum hours which hindered admission-because quite frankly a good number of recruits really could care less about SMU's admission standards if they could get admitted to another school under NCAA rules. We can conclude that while most every school except Rice and probably Tulane have had many players who signed in February but failed to qualify by September, SMU has had I believe only one who was even been close to a real borderline qualification issue. Columbus Givens signed both an SMU Letter of Intent and a JUCO letter of intent which often happens with borderline qualification recruits. However, for all I know Givens could have had an outstanding GPA and SAT but he was concerned about meeting the extra Core requirement.
We do know that these types of exceptions-if there are any others I am not aware of-are few and extremely far between because as far as I know all SMU FB and BB recruits in the last 18 years have fully qualified by August-if not fully on track to qualify by signing date in February. Tech, TCU, Baylor, A&M, UTEP and just about every other school we play or have played in CUSA and the WAC and in non-conference except probably Rice and Tulane have had a lot of kids fail to qualify just about each and every year. Surprisingly, UT probably has had less than the rest.
That's how we dug our hole-and yes those handicaps lasted well into the Bennett tenure. Count 4-5 years from each policy and those subsequent teams were directly affected. The negative synergy affect of 13-18 years of this crap and losing is less easily quantified but real nonetheless.
However, Bennett easily has had the most relaxed admission standards under which to operate. Its up to you guys to make your own judgments as to how much he has been hindered in building the program. I'm quite sure that none of us have access to the real numbers that we can definitely draw well founded conclusions on the GPA/SAT issues and that's why I have not dwelled on them for several years.
Mike Cavan had one player get on the field under the relaxed admission standards-and that was Shanderrick Charles whose class was the first class under the relaxed standards. He was the only freshman to play in that Class as a freshman. Yes, Bennett suffered the continued affects and consequences of 13-18 years of incredibily stupid admission standards
As for Tulane and Rice I know I have seen written reports written by the schools themselves and published on the internet(including ponyfans.com) that state unequivocally that they have a substantial, large collection of recruits who are admitted to those schools under a special admission standards-however, their standards are pretty darn high. For what its worth Bennett did complain in a fit of anger in his 0 for year I believe that Rice and Tulane could get special admits into school that he couldn't-I can't really document that but its is worth noting that he stated that in public.
Rice and Tulane have had a big advantage over SMU though because they have essentially had a special curriculum for athletes and a large percentage of athletes congregated into those majors with shall we say less rigorous standards. Now those were the conclusions of Rice and Tulane themselves based upon their own written reports published on the internet as of 2-3 years ago. I couldn't say definitely what those schools standards are today.
Also, the DMN did a story about 2-3 years ago showing quite clearly that SMU had the smallest concentration of athletes in any particular major-and at SMU that major was business hardly an easy major. Rice and Tulane had large congregations of athletes in less rigorous curriculum.
Not even going to get into the very real competitive disadvantages of SMU's inability to get Division 1A transfers, JUCOs, late qualifiers and Prep school players et al because it was not raised above. Suffice to say that SMU FB and BB has been beaten by conference champions and bowl teams by UTEP, Tulsa, TCU, Tech, UH and every team in the CUSA East and the WAC with star, key players in these categories in both FB and BB-all of which have loaded up on BCS transfers (generally quite prominent 3-4-5 star recruits) and JUCOs.
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by The XtC » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:32 am
[quote="bigdaddy08091"][quote="The XtC"][quote="bigdaddy08091"][quote="Billy Joe"]Orsini needs to let Bennett go after we get beat by Tulsa. He needs to make a statement that losing is not going to be accepted anymore. He then needs to get a new coach named and announce SMU is changing its model to better compete in Division 1-A football.[/quote]
As an institution, we have tried this for 20 years. "Losing is not going to be accepted anymore." I say, we give PB complete control of the football operations, and let it roll? Everyone else get the hell out of the way![/quote]
And I say you need both counseling and medication. I wouldnt give Phil phull control of a burnt out box of matches. Unless you're the type of person that enjoys watching a train wreck as it's about to happen? Is that it, are you hoping to see a couple of mangled bodies, or something?[/quote]
XTC, you must be 15 maybe 16 years of age? Do you know the history of this program? We have had several HC in the last 20 years. Do you know the definition of insanity? I will tell you. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. We need to send a message that we are committed to something at this school other than the Cox School of Business, which is a damn good program.[/quote]
For the record, I'm 42. I'd say I'm fairly well acquainted with the history of our program over the last 25 years. You see, I lived through it. I have the rather unique perspective of being not just a former Mustang football player, but also a former member of the SMU faculty. So, yes, I know the history of both the university and the athletic department, because when that history occurred, I was a part of it.
I was preparing a response to your previous post, along with a few witty remarks about Thorazine and perhaps upping your daily dosage, but then I read the next 2 pages of the thread and decided that this was one of the saddest and silliest bits of nonsense I've ever been involved with on Ponyfans, and now the thought of continued participation makes me a little nauseous. I just had to make one post to defend myself, and perhaps let you see how ridiculous you come across to most of the people on the board. Adios.
As an institution, we have tried this for 20 years. "Losing is not going to be accepted anymore." I say, we give PB complete control of the football operations, and let it roll? Everyone else get the hell out of the way![/quote]
And I say you need both counseling and medication. I wouldnt give Phil phull control of a burnt out box of matches. Unless you're the type of person that enjoys watching a train wreck as it's about to happen? Is that it, are you hoping to see a couple of mangled bodies, or something?[/quote]
XTC, you must be 15 maybe 16 years of age? Do you know the history of this program? We have had several HC in the last 20 years. Do you know the definition of insanity? I will tell you. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. We need to send a message that we are committed to something at this school other than the Cox School of Business, which is a damn good program.[/quote]
For the record, I'm 42. I'd say I'm fairly well acquainted with the history of our program over the last 25 years. You see, I lived through it. I have the rather unique perspective of being not just a former Mustang football player, but also a former member of the SMU faculty. So, yes, I know the history of both the university and the athletic department, because when that history occurred, I was a part of it.
I was preparing a response to your previous post, along with a few witty remarks about Thorazine and perhaps upping your daily dosage, but then I read the next 2 pages of the thread and decided that this was one of the saddest and silliest bits of nonsense I've ever been involved with on Ponyfans, and now the thought of continued participation makes me a little nauseous. I just had to make one post to defend myself, and perhaps let you see how ridiculous you come across to most of the people on the board. Adios.
Try not to choke on the Kool-Aid.
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by MrMustang1965 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:01 am
No kidding! GREAT GUMBO last Saturday, XTC!mrydel wrote:XTC,
Please add excellent gumbo chef to your resume.
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by bigdaddy08091 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:04 am
PK wrote:So who is responsible for how they block and tackle? They have had the same problems since the first game. Here we are 7 games into the season with the same problems. You would think that they learned that stuff in high school, but hey...if they haven't, someone should be teaching them those fundamentals...don't you think?bigdaddy08091 wrote:PB does not play! We have been in position to make plays and win games all year long. When do we start holding players accountable for blocking and tackling.
PK, these are the athletes we get at SMU. I know, PB recruited them. But, I promise you the list of candidates wanting to play at this school was short, is short and will always be short. We recruited the best out of the bunch that could get in academically. I still say, different coach same results, but possibly even worse the first 3-5 years. And all you Doh fans, keep watching the BB games, nothing will change! I really hope the athletic programs can get better, but I have to keep it real.
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by Alaric » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:19 am
Just for the record on the SAT, it's not your daddy's test:
In 2005, the test was renamed as "SAT Reasoning Test" with possible scores from 600 to 2400 combining test results from three 800-point sections (math, critical reading, and writing), along with other subsections scored separately (see details below).
In 2005, the test was renamed as "SAT Reasoning Test" with possible scores from 600 to 2400 combining test results from three 800-point sections (math, critical reading, and writing), along with other subsections scored separately (see details below).
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by bigdaddy08091 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:25 am
I'm still trying to figure out how Justin could be related to both Matt Forte AND Tech's Jamar Walls(right?) -pretty good bloodlines.
Jamar Walls mother is Justins moms aunt. Justins grandmother on his mothers side is a Forte. The other Fortes are in Denton, Tx, New Boston, Tx and Louisiana. One of Fortes other cousins, as well as Justins also played at Denton Ryan and was looking ar SMU before he had a career ending knee injury his senior year.
Jamar Walls mother is Justins moms aunt. Justins grandmother on his mothers side is a Forte. The other Fortes are in Denton, Tx, New Boston, Tx and Louisiana. One of Fortes other cousins, as well as Justins also played at Denton Ryan and was looking ar SMU before he had a career ending knee injury his senior year.
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by bigdaddy08091 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:34 am
I was preparing a response to your previous post, along with a few witty remarks about Thorazine and perhaps upping your daily dosage, but then I read the next 2 pages of the thread and decided that this was one of the saddest and silliest bits of nonsense I've ever been involved with on Ponyfans, and now the thought of continued participation makes me a little nauseous. I just had to make one post to defend myself, and perhaps let you see how ridiculous you come across to most of the people on the board. Adios.
XTC, I was just kidding. Having a little fun on the board. Nothing PERSONAL! You have been on the inside looking out, while some of us see the significant differences in the athletes we are getting compared to other schools. We are the smallest and the slowest. even in our own conference. What do you relate this to?
All I want is for everyone to focus on the true isssues about this program and stop acting like high school parents and blaming everything on the coaches. Unlike high school, we get to recruit, but can't because the admin has a strangle hold on the process.
XTC, I was just kidding. Having a little fun on the board. Nothing PERSONAL! You have been on the inside looking out, while some of us see the significant differences in the athletes we are getting compared to other schools. We are the smallest and the slowest. even in our own conference. What do you relate this to?
All I want is for everyone to focus on the true isssues about this program and stop acting like high school parents and blaming everything on the coaches. Unlike high school, we get to recruit, but can't because the admin has a strangle hold on the process.
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by bigdaddy08091 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:35 am
RGV Pony wrote:So do smart guys just not play football? Or if they do, do they just go places other than SMU?
If you were a smart guy and could play, would you come here?
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by mrydel » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:36 am
bigdaddy08091 wrote:RGV Pony wrote:So do smart guys just not play football? Or if they do, do they just go places other than SMU?
If you were a smart guy and could play, would you come here?
I did.
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by bigdaddy08091 » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:39 am
mrydel wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:RGV Pony wrote:So do smart guys just not play football? Or if they do, do they just go places other than SMU?
If you were a smart guy and could play, would you come here?
I did.
Since you are a legend, I am guessing that was 30-40 years ago?
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by mrydel » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:41 am
I blush. No one ever called me a legend before. Merely great, stupendous, and my wife thinks I am cute. But yes, you are correct. I had mentioned this to you in a post before but I was afraid to say it again or you might think I was insane. 
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