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Postby Insane_Pony_Posse » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:52 am

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Loutish Fans Disgrace the NFL
By MARK YOST
October 16, 2007; Page D6

Orchard Park, N.Y.

Three hours before the "Monday Night Football" game against the Dallas Cowboys, Chris Clark, a former Erie County sheriff who is now head of security for the Buffalo Bills, was making his pregame rounds.

"How's the crowd?" he asked two deputies.

"It's gonna get ugly," one of them predicted.

They should know. During a game last year, the officers had to leave their patrol car. When they returned, all four tires had been deflated and their car was littered with empty beer cans.

Unruly behavior at sporting events has been one of the most visible signs of the coarsening of American culture, but the NFL is in a league of its own. One reason is the sheer size of the crowds. The Washington Redskins, who lead the National Football League in attendance, draw about 90,000 fans per game, almost twice the average number of baseball fans at Yankee Stadium and four times the number of spectators at the best-attended National Basketball Association and National Hockey League games.

The other reason is tailgating. While television cooking shows tend to focus on the food, walk through most NFL stadium parking lots and the clear focus is on alcohol. And lots of it.

"The Twins fans come in and have one or two beers," said Marty Neumann, manager of The Little Wagon, a sports bar near Minneapolis's Metrodome. "The Vikings fans come in and have 10."

This hasn't gone unnoticed by the NFL, which regularly gathers and shares best practices in crowd control. Among the findings is that there's a direct correlation between season-ticket subscription rates and fan behavior. "If a team has a 10-year waiting list for tickets, most fans don't want to risk losing their season tickets," said Scott Berchtold, a Bills spokesman who used to work for the Green Bay Packers.

Teams have also found that making season-ticket holders accountable for any bad behavior that occurs in their seats -- even if it happens when someone else is sitting in them -- works. "If we get a bad report, we call the ticket holder and tell them that if there's another problem, regardless of who's sitting in the seats, their tickets will be revoked," said Houston Texans President Jamey Rootes. The team has never had to make a second call. The Bills have started to do the same thing.

The NFL's stadium-building boom over the past decade has helped, too. Personal seat licenses and premium seating tend to price out some of the thugs. Philadelphia's Veterans Stadium was long considered the worst in the league for fan behavior. Cops used to walk through the stands in visiting team jerseys to bait thugs who preyed on visiting fans. Things were so bad that there was a courtroom right in the stadium to arraign the worst offenders. Things have gotten better since the Eagles moved in 2003 to Lincoln Financial Field, which has new luxury suites and nearly 11,000 Club seats that cost $800 or more a game. "The more expensive the experience, the less inclined fans are to ruin it," said Houston's Mr. Rootes.

These trends partly explain the general state of fan behavior in Buffalo. Ralph Wilson Stadium was built in 1973 and holds 74,000, but there are only about 48,000 season ticket holders. That means about a third of the attendees have nothing to lose if they misbehave.

The Bills have tried to change that by actually starting to arrest people. In the first four home games of the season, the Bills arrested 51 fans, ejected 162 and turned away 43 who were either too drunk to be admitted or wore clothing deemed offensive.

The Bills have also started using the old-fashioned method of public shame as a deterrent. Starting this season, the Orchard Park police are publicizing the names and addresses of people arrested at games. "The headline in the paper after the first game was '23 arrested at Bills game,' " said Mr. Clark, the Bills' security chief. He credits the policy for cutting the number of arrests in half for the second home game.

The quality of play is also a factor in crowd behavior. "If fans are focused on the game, there tends to be less time for troublemaking," said Mr. Clark. Unfortunately, the team can count on one hand its number of winning seasons over the past decade.

Despite earnest efforts by football teams and the league, talk to most any NFL fan and he has a horror story to tell. Larry Becker, a Long Island oral surgeon, stopped taking his kids to New York Jets games because of the drunkenness and foul language they were exposed to. When Dr. Becker made the mistake of asking some fans to watch their language around his children, he was told to buzz off -- in language that can't be repeated in a family newspaper. "Their attitude is they've paid a lot of money for these tickets and they're going to do whatever they want to do," said Rick Bonadeo, a Jets fan from Boonton, N.J.

In Buffalo, the unruly behavior often spills over into the luxury suites, prompting Mr. Clark to post guards outside each one. "Fans would just walk in and use the bathroom," said Bills suite-holder Ed Shill. "In the warm weather, when the windows were open, they'd dive in and grab food and beer. In the winter, when it's 20-below outside and we're in our shirtsleeves drinking hot chocolate, they'd throw things at the windows and give us the finger."

Night games are the worst. "They drink like it's a one o'clock start," Mr. Shill said.

That was very much in evidence during the Monday Night game. It was, without a doubt, the drunkest crowd I've ever seen at any sporting event. Many fans stumbling to their seats just before kickoff were absolutely plastered.

Walking through the parking lot before the game, I witnessed a scene all too common at NFL tailgates: home fans taunting the visitors with four-letter expletives. What made the scene here particularly appalling was the target -- a family of Cowboys fans with two small children. And the taunt, repeated throughout the stadium by Bills fans, questioned Dallas quarterback Tony Romo's sexual orientation (think of what rhymes with "Romo"). I wonder how the parents explained that one.

So what was the tally at the end of the first "Monday Night Football" game in Buffalo in 13 years? There were 58 arrests, 111 ejections and 46 turnarounds at the gate. The charges included three for assault, six for obstructing governmental administration, 17 for resisting arrest, two for criminal mischief, 31 for disorderly conduct, two for exposure, 14 for harassment, 19 for criminal trespass, one for criminal possession of marijuana, and one for unlawful possession of alcohol (underage drinking).

Clearly Mr. Clark, the Bills' security chief, still has his work cut out for him.

Mr. Yost is the author of "Tailgating, Sacks and Salary Caps: How the NFL Became the Most Successful League in History."
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Postby OC Mustang » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:08 am

Ah, the plebian classes. The proletariat. The huddled and dirty masses.
Perhaps making the game too expensive for the average duck makes sense after all.

I have seen the same at SMU games, the difference being when you remind them that there are children present, they calm down.

Of course, I called "bullsh--" once...just slipped out...and my buddy's daughter looked up at me and whispered to her mom..."he said a BAD word, mommy". I apologized, and my kid said, "I'm telling mom."
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Postby NavyCrimson » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:47 am

" ... I apologized, and my kid said, 'I'm telling mom.'"


Looks like you're doing a good job of raising your child :wink:
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Postby mr. pony » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:41 am

TCU and Tech are the real champs here.
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Re: Fan Behavior @ Football Games

Postby mrydel » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:53 am

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:Teams have also found that making season-ticket holders accountable for any bad behavior that occurs in their seats -- even if it happens when someone else is sitting in them -- works. "If we get a bad report, we call the ticket holder and tell them that if there's another problem, regardless of who's sitting in the seats, their tickets will be revoked," said Houston Texans President Jamey Rootes. The team has never had to make a second call. The Bills have started to do the same thing.


Why do I get the impression that there might have to be a different type of threat to be effective with our season ticket holders. Take them away and we would just convert to the jtstang seating system and probably get better seats.
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Re: Fan Behavior @ Football Games

Postby mr. pony » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:12 am

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:
What made the scene here particularly appalling was the target -- a family of Cowboys fans with two small children. And the taunt, repeated throughout the stadium by Bills fans, questioned Dallas quarterback Tony Romo's sexual orientation (think of what rhymes with "Romo"). I wonder how the parents explained that one.


How 'bout this?

"They're saying Tony is like Dumbledore in your Harry Potter books, honey. It's a good thing!"
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Postby jtstang » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:17 am

mr. p, your phobias are showing...
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Postby MrMustang1965 » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:45 am

I pray for the day that SMU has such problems like a 'sold-out Ford Stadium' with 'unruly fans' (for the Mustangs...not the opposition)! It'll be the true sign that the Mustangs have finally conquered the DP and are a TOP 25 team!
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Postby mr. pony » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:57 am

jtstang wrote:mr. p, your phobias are showing...

OK, so what would you tell the poor kid?
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Postby jtstang » Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:17 pm

I wouldn't take a kid to a toilet like Buffalo in the first place.
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Postby OC Mustang » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:56 pm

jtstang wrote:I wouldn't take a kid to a toilet like Buffalo in the first place.


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Postby OR-See-Nee » Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:40 pm

We do have unruly fans at Ford. They are the ones who tell us to sit down and to be quiet--that we are making too much noise. :roll:
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Postby tex23bm » Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:06 pm

sorry, this discussion seems laughable to me.

I graduated this past May, and can count the # of home games I missed during my tenure at SMU on one hand.

Quite frankly, SMU has the worst fans I've ever seen. And I think the problem starts with the students.

First off, we have like 200 students there to support the team. The vast majority stumble in completely $#!+faced at the end of the first quarter, and leave at halftime.

Second, we have some of the most belligerent and racist fans I've ever scene. I can't count how many times I've listened to Jack@$$es in the student section yell and scream slurs at other teams. Don't get me wrong, I love making noise, I just think there's a certain level of class one must maintain. And racial Slurs are below that level.

and finally,

we have nothing to root for. There's no hope. I wanted to hope, but we have a losing philosophy. We need to hold coaches accountable. I threw a fit in the DC my freshman year when PB guided us to an 0-12 season. I argued that not being able to win a single game, no matter how new you are should be grounds for firing. We've given him 4 more years. That's 4 more years we could have used with a Different coach to get this team moving in the right direction. A lot of people thought I was wrong then, A lot of people are fine with wasting 4 years. Well I'm telling you now, it's that 'let's hope for the future'/'he's a nice guy' philosophy that is keeping us at the back of the pack.

SMU needs to raise their standards for performance. In this century, the Nice guy is finishing last.
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Postby davidsmu94 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:28 pm

agreed
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Postby MrMustang1965 » Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:16 pm

tex23bm wrote:sorry, this discussion seems laughable to me.

I graduated this past May, and can count the # of home games I missed during my tenure at SMU on one hand.

Quite frankly, SMU has the worst fans I've ever seen. And I think the problem starts with the students.

First off, we have like 200 students there to support the team. The vast majority stumble in completely $#!+faced at the end of the first quarter, and leave at halftime.

Second, we have some of the most belligerent and racist fans I've ever scene. I can't count how many times I've listened to Jack@$$es in the student section yell and scream slurs at other teams. Don't get me wrong, I love making noise, I just think there's a certain level of class one must maintain. And racial Slurs are below that level.

and finally,

we have nothing to root for. There's no hope. I wanted to hope, but we have a losing philosophy. We need to hold coaches accountable. I threw a fit in the DC my freshman year when PB guided us to an 0-12 season. I argued that not being able to win a single game, no matter how new you are should be grounds for firing. We've given him 4 more years. That's 4 more years we could have used with a Different coach to get this team moving in the right direction. A lot of people thought I was wrong then, A lot of people are fine with wasting 4 years. Well I'm telling you now, it's that 'let's hope for the future'/'he's a nice guy' philosophy that is keeping us at the back of the pack.

SMU needs to raise their standards for performance. In this century, the Nice guy is finishing last.
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