Change of subject/revisit ownershio of SMU

[Phxfan]

http://www.umportal.org/main/article.asp?id=2718

Thanks, feels good to be right sometimes.

Don't get too comfortable

OK. This whole thing about coaching staff is related to the Universities affiliation to a religious denomination. Again I would say that those who want a good /excellent program at SMU should consider writing an E-mail to UMC.ORG. Explain your reasons etc. The church has more $ than the Hunts. Notre Dame is supported by the Catholic Church. The UMC is giving $ to several universities. SMU is the only one to own the name. They got upset over the DP and need to get over it. SMU will not hire someone with a messy "moral" past. (sex stuff). That excludes a couple of those mentioned on this board. So it's going to Bowden if we come up with a decent salary, what he wants.... SO.... Give him the $ and lets win.

They are mad about the Bush Library too

So am I but $500,000,000.00 can sooth the pain. I guess Valium might do
the same thing. Send Valium to UMC.org.

[OC Mustang]

On 10/14/07 I posted SMU was owned by the UMC. Some on this board disputed this. I also stated that Duke was owned by the UMC, some disputed that. It was an effort to get to the people that really make the decisions about $ to pay coaches and how to influence them to get the church to "Pony Up". So go to Google News, then SMU, then blogs. You will find an article by William M. Finnin Jr. The SMU Chaplin or some position like that. He makes it very clear about the ownership of SMU, Duke and a few other Universities including Northwestern. (Barnett) So for those that said I was not dealing with a full deck, please reconsider.

Will Finnin is not an authority on the subject; I would not count him as an expert on faith or real estate.

That said, you might be correct that the UMC may own REAL ESTATE. And insomuch as that is the university, fine. But being the chartering entity isn't the same thing as "owner". You have a full deck; you just may need to rearrange the deck chairs!

[jtstang]

SMU will not hire someone with a messy "moral" past. (sex stuff). That excludes a couple of those mentioned on this board. So it's going to Bowden if we come up with a decent salary, what he wants.... SO.... Give him the $ and lets win.

Wait, wasn't Bowden run out of Auburn for some kind of "sex stuff" involving a sorority girl?

[SMUer]

http://www.smu.edu/trustees/

UMC Bishop Scott J. Jones, UMC Bishop Alfred L. Norris, UMC Bishop Ann B. Sherer, UMC Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, UMC Rev. W. Mark Graig all sit on the Trustee board...

But boy because of all the Federal funding if you ever ask an SMU staffer about church involvement, "Oh no, we have nothing to do with UMC"...vehemently.

My impression was that UMC founded the school, owns the land, but that SMU had somehow distanced itself from UMC so it could receive federal funding. The UMC is however asked to sit on our trustee board.

[Dukie]

On 10/14/07 I posted SMU was owned by the UMC. Some on this board disputed this. I also stated that Duke was owned by the UMC, some disputed that. It was an effort to get to the people that really make the decisions about $ to pay coaches and how to influence them to get the church to "Pony Up". So go to Google News, then SMU, then blogs. You will find an article by William M. Finnin Jr. The SMU Chaplin or some position like that. He makes it very clear about the ownership of SMU, Duke and a few other Universities including Northwestern. (Barnett) So for those that said I was not dealing with a full deck, please reconsider.

I never said anything about your deck, or about the ownership of SMU, but Duke is not owned by the Methodist Church.

http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/history/duke-umchh.html

[Phxfan]

On 10/14/07 I posted SMU was owned by the UMC. Some on this board disputed this. I also stated that Duke was owned by the UMC, some disputed that. It was an effort to get to the people that really make the decisions about $ to pay coaches and how to influence them to get the church to "Pony Up". So go to Google News, then SMU, then blogs. You will find an article by William M. Finnin Jr. The SMU Chaplin or some position like that. He makes it very clear about the ownership of SMU, Duke and a few other Universities including Northwestern. (Barnett) So for those that said I was not dealing with a full deck, please reconsider.

I never said anything about your deck, or about the ownership of SMU, but Duke is not owned by the Methodist Church.

http://library.duke.edu/uarchives/history/duke-umchh.html

It is, SMU, Northwestern is etc. etc. etc.. There may be a break in the UMC which happened during the Civil War. I hope it does not happen again. Seems like a north and south issue again.
Anyway I was right on SMU.

[jtstang]

It doesn't matter. I seriously doubt the Methodist Church is going to tell Orsini who he can and cannot hire.

[Phxfan]

It doesn't matter. I seriously doubt the Methodist Church is going to tell Orsini who he can and cannot hire.

I agree. They will not tell him who to hire. He is a good AD. He is smart. He will hire the right guy. But, he knows what he can and cannot do. Acctually this could be great leverage. Like, I want to hire Barrnet for $1m but he has this history. I could get Bowden for $1.5 m if you will go for it. So, we go for it.