Coach Carousel Update

[Stallion]

its not just QB or the passing game although I'm pretty sure the vast majority of fans don't want to see the second coming of Ken Hatfield-its the fact that you guys are getting all giddy about hiring a guy who has never proven that he can recruit under Division 1A scholarship restrictions and limitations. Navy is not subjct to those recruiting limitations-its an entirey different structure. Scattershooting while wondering whatever happened to the last great Navy genuis option Coach Charlie Weatherby when he was forced to recruit under NCAA rules and limitations. Paul Johnson is the wrong man for the wrong job who annually goes to bowl games against one of the easiest schedules in NCAA Division 1A (the easiest last year) and has multiple losses to Division 1AA teams. Heck one (Deleware) scored 60 on him about 3 weeks ago and another(North Texas) scored 64 last week. He will not be able to recruit the kids he needs to at SMU to be succssful. A media darling and an ADs nitemare.

[jimhagle]

Weatherbie was no Johnson-let's get that straight.He ran the same type of offense Johnson does and eventually cratered there.He had some success initially because he had a decent qb in Chris McCoy[SMU certainly remembers him] He failed at his next job too. And Johnson's offense is even more complex then Hatfield ever ran. The recruiting issue is understandable but Johnson seems to win even with inferior talent. And as for Delaware they are one of better teams in their division-let's not forget eveyone gets upset once in awhile. North Texas put up even gaudier numbers offensively against us here then they did against Navy in Denton. I seriously doubt Johnson is coming here but give the guy his due.

[BrianTinBigD]

Players and fans, want to see a team throw the ball.

Fans don't give a flying flip what the offense is if the team is scoring 74 points a game and winning. If SMU can churn out NFL quality RBs then I will be happy. Throw in a bowl game every year and I don't care if the QB ever passes the ball.

[PonyTime]

Players and fans, want to see a team throw the ball.

So that's why it was so hard to aquire a ticket to see Mike Romo and Dan Freiberger toss it up 60 times a game to Jason Wolf and Mick Rossley at Owenby while I was a student.

[westexSMU]

[quote="jimhagle"]Weatherbie was no Johnson-let's get that straight.He ran the same type of offense Johnson does and eventually cratered there.He had some success initially because he had a decent qb in Chris McCoy[SMU certainly remembers him] He failed at his next job too. And Johnson's offense is even more complex then Hatfield ever ran. The recruiting issue is understandable but Johnson seems to win even with inferior talent. And as for Delaware they are one of better teams in their division-let's not forget eveyone gets upset once in awhile. North Texas put up even gaudier numbers offensively against us here then they did against Navy in Denton. I seriously doubt Johnson is coming here but give the guy his due.[/quote].............Also. Johnson was Weatherbie's OC at Navy when Navy beat the hell out of Rossely's 1995 SMU team. That SMU team had just beat ARKANSAS the week before ! Truth is after Johnson left Weatherbie's staff to be the head coach at Georgia Southern, where he won Div 1AA National Championships, Weatherbie began to loose. Johnson became HC at Navy taking over for Weatherbie's 1-10 Navy team in 2002. They beat Phil Bennett's first team 35-7 and Navy went to a bowl game that year.

[jimhagle]

Weatherbie started losing when the elusive McCoy left as well-

[EastStang]

Stallion, I don't understand how you think that Navy has an easier time recruiting athletes than SMU? These kids have to join the Navy or the Marines after they graduate and get shot at or killed. You can't have girls in your dorm room. Occasionally a Navy prof might let you and your girlfriend sneak into his house, oops, but then again, he might videotape the whole thing. I suspect that its a whole lot easier to recruit kids to SMU where you can tell them that they get a great education and we have great looking women who can actually visit your dorm room. Those are huge differences. And losing to Delaware is like losing to any other 1-A program. Check out their starters for offers out of high school. You'll find a number of their players were 3 and 4 stars and went to 1-A schools and are using Delaware as their one year sit out school.

[Stallion]

start with unlimited scholarships to both their Academy and Prep School. We are talking between 75-80 at some of the Academies. SMU has had about 5-6 kids transfer to SMU from either the Academies or the Prep Schools and all started their first year at SMU. I gave particulars about 10 days ago. When you are recruiting sleepers like SMU and the Academies are then give me 75-80 sleepers every year. He is not going out on the recruiting trail and outrecruiting Baylor, TCU, Tech et al. He gets a different profile of kid and he is not well suited to the recruiting requirements of SMU. This is a disaster in the making-about as suited for the SMU job as Phil JUCO Bennett.

[Dwan]

I would say that Paul Johnson is VERY respected by High School coaches.

[jimhagle]

start with unlimited scholarships to both their Academy and Prep School. We are talking between 75-80 at some of the Academies. SMU has had about 5-6 kids transfer to SMU from either the Academies or the Prep Schools and all started their first year at SMU. I gave particulars about 10 days ago. When you are recruiting sleepers like SMU and the Academies are then give me 75-80 sleepers every year. He is not going out on the recruiting trail and outrecruiting Baylor, TCU, Tech et al. He gets a different profile of kid and he is not well suited to the recruiting requirements of SMU. This is a disaster in the making-about as suited for
the SMU job as Phil JUCO Bennett.

How many guys are suited for the SMU job with their recruiting requirements? I guess we should just go after Ivy league coaches if what you say is true. To think that Navy's prep schools are loaded with talent is laughable!

[Stallion]

Yeah well academies using the Prep School Model and buttercup schedules have gone to 21- may be 23 including 2007 bowls since SMU did.