Recruiting Class Signed

[Hoop Fan]

Tubbs was a waste of oxygen. The program would never have gone anywhere with him, except maybe on probation. No leadership, no energy, and he did not work particularly hard. HF, you have been defending him for no apparent reason for three years. Its over - he is gone - enough already.

UT AD owes us more then that after helping engineer the end of the SWC. But trust me - the practice facility has nothing to do with that yahoo.

smug comments like "tubbs was a waste of oxygen" is most of the reason I debate. Totally ridiculous thing to say along with your probation comment. I like honest and respectful assessment of issues. I do not appreciate absolute know-it-all statements or black and white thinking. All of this is relevant to today in every way, so my comments will be enough when I say they are enough thank you very much.

[SoCal_Pony]

Doherty is the coach and he recruited two nice classes.

ES,

I don't know how you can conclude THIS class is a nice one. You certainly can’t base it on the offers these guys received.

XtC compared this class to Killen, Ritter, Roberts. Are you happy with that? You think a team full of Killen, Ritter, Roberts gets you anywhere?

[SoCal_Pony]

smug comments like "tubbs was a waste of oxygen" is most of the reason I debate.

This whole Tubbs debate is ridiculous. We will never know if he could have been successful or not. He wasn’t given the chance.

And as for the ‘waste of oxygen’ quote, what does that say about those who HIRED him?

[gostangs]

That they thought he would work hard and get it done and not get us in hot water - all of which were wrong assumptions - They made a change and moved on - which is a good idea for a couple of folks on this board.

[PonyDoh]

Doherty is the coach and he recruited two nice classes. I really don't care where we get our players because Dallas is a "winners' town. If we want a following, we need to win. That's it. If we win, then people will start following our program in Dallas. Just like in DC, until Georgetown started winning, they were not even considered worth watching. Now half the kids in SE DC have Georgetown caps. And they don't even know what a Hoya is.

The reason they have Gtown hats is b/c the elder Thompson was not only head of the Nike Grassroots program, but is also perceived as a civil rights activist w/in basketball culture. You combine the two and Gtown recruits up a storm. Upon getting talent, they get wins, and w/wins comes the bandwagon gangstas

[PonyDoh]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out. Thats what being a leader and boss is all about. SMU failed Tubbs more than Tubbs failed SMu in two short years, not much doubt about that.

Hoopfan, at the prominent basketball schools, the head coach has 3 responsibilities, managing the program, recruiting talent and fundraising, not necessarily in that order. At a school like SMU, that has little to no recent success, the key is having the proper figurehead that people can rally behind, and become enthusiastic. Someone that greases palms and makes nice w/the people who get things done financially.

I'm not saying Tubbs was given a fair shake, but I am saying that Doh does have the two things that matter the most w/regards to making the program visible. He's a politician and he's great in home w/recruits. Those two things trump being competent on the bench

[ponydawg]

UT AD owes us more then that after helping engineer the end of the SWC. But trust me - the practice facility has nothing to do with that yahoo.

Ok. Pretty sure those words came out of Mr. Crum's mouth at the ground breaking ceremony when he was speaking into a microphone to the crowd.

Not saying Doherty, Orsini and crew didn't do the leg work, but that was the story Mr. Crum told.

[Hoop Fan]

Also, it undoubtedly would have helped tubbs if SMU would have launched the practice facility and moody renovation to show some commitment tot the program. Like i said, i dont understand why we needed Doherty to convince us to do something so obvious.

Doherty's speaking, personality, and ability to "look good in a suit with a nifty hanky" are the reason we are getting those things. Do you think the Crums were falling over themselves to donate money to Tubbs's program? I would be interested to know if he knew who they were. It is obvious Doherty gets out, meets alums/potential donors and makes them feel important and involved. Thats how you get $$$$.

I really dont care if Tubbs knew who the Crums were, thats the ADs job and Turners job. The basketball coach should be focused on recruiting and winning basketball games. Copeland and Turner shouldn't have hired tubbs if THEY could not get him the appropriate tools and resources and assessed his strenghts and weaknesses. Its not that hard to figure out. Thats what being a leader and boss is all about. SMU failed Tubbs more than Tubbs failed SMu in two short years, not much doubt about that.

Hoopfan, at the prominent basketball schools, the head coach has 3 responsibilities, managing the program, recruiting talent and fundraising, not necessarily in that order. At a school like SMU, that has little to no recent success, the key is having the proper figurehead that people can rally behind, and become enthusiastic. Someone that greases palms and makes nice w/the people who get things done financially.

I'm not saying Tubbs was given a fair shake, but I am saying that Doh does have the two things that matter the most w/regards to making the program visible. He's a politician and he's great in home w/recruits. Those two things trump being competent on the bench

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i dont disagree, and thats exactly the situation facing us in football. Need a name and a figurehead. What i am saying is that in many ways Tubbs was a figurehead, but specifically to the South Dallas basketball community. His value was not glad handing with Parkies. We all knew that BEFORE he was hired. And the admin definitely should have known it. I would think SMU could take it on itself to fundraise. That is one asset we do have at SMU, deep pockets. May be the only one actually. What we don't have is any relationship to the community and specifically the black community. SMu has to be creative in the way it gets things done. doh is not everything to everybody either.

[thefamousguy]

You guys are a tough crowd. We get a very very good crop of recruits for the second consecutive year in basketball. And what comes back, "they weren't from Texas". Lets get one thing straight, for each great Texas player there are three in Chicago. For each great Texas player there are three in New York. For each great Texas player there are three in L.A. Ditto for Oakland and Detroit. If you're hungry you go where the food is. If we start winning, kids will be knocking down our doors to come to SMU. Before Coach K started winning at Duke, it was the laughing stock of the ACC. Now, if Coach K calls you and says he wants you to come to Duke, you schedule a visit. Same thing with Georgetown before John Thompson put it on the map. So, let Doh build a winning program first, then we can have the luxury of being picky.

we know you are a fan of east coast talent. I think we all want top 150 players from wherever we can get them. The distinction comes after that. If you are recruiting top 500 talent, you dont need to go to California to get it. How about showing some loyalty to the power programs in the Metroplex from whom you would like some loyalty? When SOC or Kimball has a top 50 player in the near future, it might help you get a foot in the door if you gave the lesser D-1 prospects they have had the time of day over the years. Thats called building bridges and building a program. You don't build bridges by going to South Dallas once and awhile and talking a good game.

That makes no sense. Why would we recruit lesser players in hopes of getting better players from inner city schools down the road? We had a great player from Lincoln in B-Hopkins and even Jimmy Tubbs couldn't sign any great DISD kids after he became coach. They all want to go to a Big 12 school or out of state to a powerhouse. I think it is best for us to find players elsewhere.

[abezontar]

Doherty's take on the situation.

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/hoopsblog/ New Blog post.

[gostangs]

We dont need the DISD coaches - they spend all their time wanting to be stroked. When we start winning they will come to us. Tubbs got nowhere with them, so there is no need to suck up to them. The AAU coaches have all the pull anyway - and anyone who knows anything about basketball knows that. Every really good player lists his school followed quickly by his AAU team. The HS coaches are yesterdays news and Doh gets it.

[Hoop Fan]

You guys are a tough crowd. We get a very very good crop of recruits for the second consecutive year in basketball. And what comes back, "they weren't from Texas". Lets get one thing straight, for each great Texas player there are three in Chicago. For each great Texas player there are three in New York. For each great Texas player there are three in L.A. Ditto for Oakland and Detroit. If you're hungry you go where the food is. If we start winning, kids will be knocking down our doors to come to SMU. Before Coach K started winning at Duke, it was the laughing stock of the ACC. Now, if Coach K calls you and says he wants you to come to Duke, you schedule a visit. Same thing with Georgetown before John Thompson put it on the map. So, let Doh build a winning program first, then we can have the luxury of being picky.

we know you are a fan of east coast talent. I think we all want top 150 players from wherever we can get them. The distinction comes after that. If you are recruiting top 500 talent, you dont need to go to California to get it. How about showing some loyalty to the power programs in the Metroplex from whom you would like some loyalty? When SOC or Kimball has a top 50 player in the near future, it might help you get a foot in the door if you gave the lesser D-1 prospects they have had the time of day over the years. Thats called building bridges and building a program. You don't build bridges by going to South Dallas once and awhile and talking a good game.

That makes no sense. Why would we recruit lesser players in hopes of getting better players from inner city schools down the road? We had a great player from Lincoln in B-Hopkins and even Jimmy Tubbs couldn't sign any great DISD kids after he became coach. They all want to go to a Big 12 school or out of state to a powerhouse. I think it is best for us to find players elsewhere.

take a reading comprehension class. the players we are recruiting from Cali are not top 200 players either. I wish we were recruiting top talent, but doherty is taking fliers left and right. It was painful how Centernary had about three dallas area kids who we did not recruit eating our lunch. one was from Plano West. Alabama State had a nice time watching Joel Bosh come back to dallas and kick our teeth in. It happens over and over again to smu. you think someone might notice sooner or later.

[Hoop Fan]

We dont need the DISD coaches - they spend all their time wanting to be stroked. When we start winning they will come to us. Tubbs got nowhere with them, so there is no need to suck up to them. The AAU coaches have all the pull anyway - and anyone who knows anything about basketball knows that. Every really good player lists his school followed quickly by his AAU team. The HS coaches are yesterdays news and Doh gets it.

who said anything about high school coaches exclusively anyway? Nobody. Most kids that live around here, play on AAU teams based here too. what, you dont think BHop played AAU ball? And if you dont think guys like James Mays, Royce Johnson, Bacon dont have some influence with the kids you are mistaken. I'm sure glad you and Doh have it all figured out though.

[Hoop Fan]

another thing. Lets not kid ourselves, Doh is not in on the top AAU talent being brokered by AAU "coaches". Doh is really recruiting the good kids who had a nice high school career and want to make a good college choice. sorry genius, but good high school coaches do influence those kids. Think Quinton Ross. Ask yourself if a kid in Dallas like Q would be at SMU today? Probably not. But definitely not if people with your attitude of "certain people and high school coaches don't matter" are prevalent around the Hilltop. Just a fabulous approach. No wonder we are where we are.

[jtstang]

UT AD owes us more then that after helping engineer the end of the SWC. But trust me - the practice facility has nothing to do with that yahoo.

I hope Mr. Crum doesn't come here and read that you called him a bald-face liar.