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Postby OC Mustang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:25 pm

Stallion is right; this is model.
Head Coach has to be a recruiting monster. Bennett's monster, his brother, was not that kind of monster.
Head Coach has to hire better coordinators; Bennett didn't. Results demonstrate that.
Head Coach has to be organized over every aspect of the game so he doesn't have to wait when he needs help from subordinates (i.e. game sitreps). Not even close.

Bennett should have sacked his coordinators, been better organized for game day, and not friggin' hired his brother. We'll never know, but IMHO he'd still be here and we'd be going to our second or third bowl game if he had. And we'd still be trying to find a new coach because Bennett would have gotten a bigger and better job.

That's the difference between a head coach and a coordinator.
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Postby expony18 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:26 pm

Bill Parcels bad coach, Wade Phillips great coach.... same players? same team? coaches must be able to adapt to the type of players they have... PB was unable to do that at SMU. he likes to bring pressure and leave the corners to man up... and this last year when he tried to switch to more zone the DB's let the WRs/RBs/TEs get behind them....
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Postby expony18 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:29 pm

OC Mustang wrote:Stallion is right; this is model.
Head Coach has to be a recruiting monster. Bennett's monster, his brother, was not that kind of monster.
Head Coach has to hire better coordinators; Bennett didn't. Results demonstrate that.
Head Coach has to be organized over every aspect of the game so he doesn't have to wait when he needs help from subordinates (i.e. game sitreps). Not even close.

Bennett should have sacked his coordinators, been better organized for game day, and not friggin' hired his brother. We'll never know, but IMHO he'd still be here and we'd be going to our second or third bowl game if he had. And we'd still be trying to find a new coach because Bennett would have gotten a bigger and better job.

That's the difference between a head coach and a coordinator.
I was referring to a different model (ie. defensive scheme).... Edmondson was terrible as our OC, Gush was just PB's puppet... Burns was an upgrade, but not by much. Gush should have been gone after year one.
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Postby SC Pony » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:30 pm

Oh the model. That must be it. Wait, Shumann had two top 25 rated defenses in his tenure.

Big 12 teams will be salivating. 3rd and 18 will be a gimme.
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Postby Samurai Stang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:31 pm

PK wrote:One last time...Cavan had nothing to do with the defensive part of his teams other than to have hired Eric Schumann as his DC. Schumann was the genius behind "Cavan's" defense.


I am well aware of this. My point is that during the Cavan regime there was a better defense than under that of Bennett. Notice how I use the head coach's last name to represent the entire staff.
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Postby SMUer » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:36 pm

expony18 wrote:PB has great schemes with the right players. his failure was not being able to adjust his ideas to the skill level of players he was coaching....


I have a hard time acknowledging the football savantness of anyone who can't recognize or is unwilling to adjust his schemes to the talent he has availible (which he had also recruited presumably to fit his system in some way) as you suggest. Failing to adjust admits a HUGE coaching culpability, for any position.

I don't know about you but I did not see genius schemes on the football field that only melted away just after the snap because of lack of talent. I saw guys that didn't like up properly, boring blitz packages and blocking schemes, poor tackling and terrible (or boring) playcalling. What spell has Phil got you guys under...seriously...
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Postby EastStang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:37 pm

There is of course a rumor on the CUSA board and several news outlets that Briles has not yet been offered the job.
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Postby stangdad 40 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:38 pm

The last time we played the option with phils recruits once they got old enough you might want to check the results, i think they shut it down,as far as the comments about phils brother you obivously don't know what all the good he did for recruiting and how much the players respect him.
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Postby OC Mustang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:39 pm

SMUer wrote:
expony18 wrote:PB has great schemes with the right players. his failure was not being able to adjust his ideas to the skill level of players he was coaching....


I have a hard time acknowledging the football savantness of anyone who can't recognize or is unwilling to adjust his schemes to the talent he has availible (which he had also recruited presumably to fit his system in some way) as you suggest. Failing to adjust admits a HUGE coaching culpability, for any position.

I don't know about you but I did not see genius schemes on the football field that only melted away just after the snap because of lack of talent. I saw guys that didn't like up properly, boring blitz packages and blocking schemes, poor tackling and terrible (or boring) playcalling. What spell has Phil got you guys under...seriously...


IF accurate that Briles is going to Baylor AND hiring Bennett as DC, then the same spell Briles is under.
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Postby expony18 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:41 pm

stangdad 40 wrote:The last time we played the option with phils recruits once they got old enough you might want to check the results, i think they shut it down,as far as the comments about phils brother you obivously don't know what all the good he did for recruiting and how much the players respect him.
exactly... too bad justin was redshirted against navy.... also on everyone giving Jerry Bennett a hard time, he was one of the most respected people by the players
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Postby SMUer » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:45 pm

OC Mustang wrote:the same spell Briles is under.


Phil's consistently plummeting defensive stats at SMU and curious "all out, all out" blitzes would certainly make me salivate too. Like I said, he'll display his true coaching mettle as DC at Baylor. Nobody to hide behind. If he can get that team in the top 4th of Big XII defensive statistics then I'll eat my words, blame it on rebellious/individualist/non-athletic players here and sing his praises.
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Postby expony18 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:45 pm

Samurai Stang wrote:
PK wrote:One last time...Cavan had nothing to do with the defensive part of his teams other than to have hired Eric Schumann as his DC. Schumann was the genius behind "Cavan's" defense.


I am well aware of this. My point is that during the Cavan regime there was a better defense than under that of Bennett. Notice how I use the head coach's last name to represent the entire staff.

question: where is cavan? how many nfl teams contacted him to come coach while he was at smu? how many players did cavan coach/recruit that were:
a. drafted
b. lasted more then 3 years in the NFL (practice squad doesn't count)
c. are still in the NFL
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Postby OC Mustang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:27 pm

SMUer wrote:
OC Mustang wrote:the same spell Briles is under.


Phil's consistently plummeting defensive stats at SMU and curious "all out, all out" blitzes would certainly make me salivate too. Like I said, he'll display his true coaching mettle as DC at Baylor. Nobody to hide behind. If he can get that team in the top 4th of Big XII defensive statistics then I'll eat my words, blame it on rebellious/individualist/non-athletic players here and sing his praises.


Touche. If Bennett stubs his toe, I'll eat mine...but I am on defense here, so I have less to eat. :wink:
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Postby OR-See-Nee » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:53 pm

Baylor fans seem pretty excited about this hire. May also explain why the interview was in Dallas?

Some of these comments are of the nature that Phil is a critical hire for the BU program and his defensive skills may assist the bears in getting to a bowl.

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Postby jtstang » Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:54 pm

Samurai Stang wrote:
PK wrote:One last time...Cavan had nothing to do with the defensive part of his teams other than to have hired Eric Schumann as his DC. Schumann was the genius behind "Cavan's" defense.


I am well aware of this. My point is that during the Cavan regime there was a better defense than under that of Bennett. Notice how I use the head coach's last name to represent the entire staff.

Are their any prominent Asian football coaches we should be considering? Other than Norm Chow.
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