Navy Recruiting Advantages

[Stallion]

Here's an article confirming that the approximate number of 50 recruits entering the Naval Academy Prep School (2003-graduating 2007) each year IN ADDITION to unlimited grants in Aid. Previously, I had only used 50 as a guesstimate to project that with a Varsity Roster of 160 players, Navy can run approximately 350 players through their program in a 4 year period and weed out the players. In addition, no one has mentioned that Navy actually supports 3 separate football teams a Varsity, a Junior Varsity and a Prep Team. Navy gets an exemption from the NCAA to have a Junior Varsity team that is not otherwise allowed under NCAA rules. The Junior Varsity plays a 6 game schedule while our undergraduates sit on the sidelines. Sorry but the Academies do not sprinkle magic pixie dust on their teams to go to 23 Bowls since SMU last went to a Bowl. Its a delightful story that will be exposed as a mistake. The NCAA has instituted special policies which allow them to compete at this level and for the most part Air Force and Navy have since they implemented a strategic program to do so.



http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bi ... _25-32/NAS

[cs09viking]

Here's an article confirming that the approximate number of 50 recruits entering the Naval Academy Prep School (2003-graduating 2007) each year IN ADDITION to unlimited grants in Aid. Previously, I had only used 50 as a guesstimate to project that with a Varsity Roster of 160 players, Navy can run approximately 350 players through their program in a 4 year period and weed out the players. In addition, no one has mentioned that Navy actually supports 3 separate football teams a Varsity, a Junior Varsity and a Prep Team. Navy gets an exemption from the NCAA to have a Junior Varsity team that is not otherwise allowed under NCAA rules. Sorry but the Academies do not sprinkle magic pixie dust on their teams to go to 23 Bowls since SMU last went to a Bowl. Its a delightful story that will be exposed as a mistake.



http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bi ... _25-32/NAS

i went to air force prep so i am familiar with the system. There are a couple of things to keep in mind when looking at these numbers - find out how many of those 50 that entered either (a) leave the prep school and (b) acutally make it through the freshman year.

the attrition numbers are not good at prep school and freshman year due to the rigors of an academy that the numbers will filter themselves to a normalized figure.

and all of this under the premise that we are talking about zero, one and two star athletes.

[SMUfan4ever]

The NCAA limits the number of scholarships a football team can issue to players. Apparently, that doesn't slow the Academies cause they give zero scholarships...the place is free to everybody!

[cs09viking]

The NCAA limits the number of scholarships a football team can issue to players. Apparently, that doesn't slow the Academies cause they give zero scholarships...the place is free to everybody!

its not free. you have to give your life to the US GOVT for 7 to 10 years and put your life on the line. its never free.

[Pony94]

Navy a recruiting advantage?? I just don't see it. Please look at the steps one must take to enter the Naval Academy, in particular a nomination from an official source. This step severaly limits the pool from which athletes can be recruited...

http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/steps4.htm

[KnuckleStang]

AGAIN:

If that is the case, why don't we switch to the service academy model of five years of mandatory military service during a time of war, mandatory buzz cuts, 5 am formation, uniforms, 1310 SAT's and triple option and almost no chance of going to the NFL, AND we can keep the athletically unfriendly major policy! But don't worry, we have prep schools! How can we lose with this advantage.

And while we're at it, let's get rid of all the hot chicks.

Again, I am just curious, since Navy has made 5 straight bowls, how many 3-4 star recruits do they have on their roster. You never answered my question.

[SoCal_Pony]

and all of this under the premise that we are talking about zero, one and two star athletes.

Sounds like the same pool we recruit from.

I think Stallion's point is that its easier to find diamonds among 10 roughs than 1.

Question to you Stallion....

Would you rather have Gibbs, PJ or Chan.

To me that is a no-brainer...I would take PJ.

[Stallion]

350 players is 15 sleepers for every position on the field. 50-75% of SMU's players are classified as sleepers too. You don't think SMU can weed through 15 players of the caliber we get to find one starter.

[KnuckleStang]

So you are saying we should adopt the service academy model. The Iraq Pipeline will give us a distinct advantage over our peers.

[Stallion]

I'm saying that there are a lot of young men out there that will do anything to play Division 1A Football-you know that's the case. I've read their stories over the years. Many had no intention of going to an Academy but decided to keep their dreams of being a Division 1A Football player alive

[Pony94]

350 players is 15 sleepers for every position on the field. 50-75% of SMU's players are classified as sleepers too. You don't think SMU can weed through 15 players of the caliber we get to find one starter.

The quality of those 350 players is not a recruiting advantage. You are really stretching this argument way too much. Just leave it as, you dont want Paul Johnson as a coach. Enough said. But this argument is not your best.

[thefamousguy]

Here's an article confirming that the approximate number of 50 recruits entering the Naval Academy Prep School (2003-graduating 2007) each year IN ADDITION to unlimited grants in Aid. Previously, I had only used 50 as a guesstimate to project that with a Varsity Roster of 160 players, Navy can run approximately 350 players through their program in a 4 year period and weed out the players. In addition, no one has mentioned that Navy actually supports 3 separate football teams a Varsity, a Junior Varsity and a Prep Team. Navy gets an exemption from the NCAA to have a Junior Varsity team that is not otherwise allowed under NCAA rules. Sorry but the Academies do not sprinkle magic pixie dust on their teams to go to 23 Bowls since SMU last went to a Bowl. Its a delightful story that will be exposed as a mistake.



http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bi ... _25-32/NAS

i went to air force prep so i am familiar with the system. There are a couple of things to keep in mind when looking at these numbers - find out how many of those 50 that entered either (a) leave the prep school and (b) acutally make it through the freshman year.

the attrition numbers are so bad at prep school and freshman year due to the rigors of an academy that the numbers will filter themselves to a normalized figure.

and all of this under the premise that we are talking about zero, one and two star athletes.

For some reason Stallion fails to understand that a whole lot of nothing, is still nothing. It doesn't matter how many players you're allowed to sign if the players you sign are overall some of the least talented in the country, across the board.

[Stallion]

No what you don't get is that the quality of players SMU gets is only marginally higher and doesn't take into account personal motivation, growth and desire-not to mention players overlooked due to injuries, formations or other factors. And I understand the difference between the quality SMU and the Academies get a lot better than your [deleted]. The fact is 7 players from the Academies/Prep schools have IMMEDIATELY started at SMU in recent years-what does that say about the "quality" of SMU players assuming you are correct?

[SMU Football Blog]

This argument is stupid. Kids want to play 1A football because they want a chance to go to the NFL. A hell of a lot better chance of getting drafted from a I-AA school than an academy. There hasn't been an Academy player drafted this decade.

[KnuckleStang]

No what you don't get is that the quality of players SMU gets is only marginally higher and doesn't take into account personal motivation, growth and desire-not to mention players overlooked due to injuries, formations or other factors. And I understand the difference between the quality SMU and the Academies get a lot better than your [deleted]. The fact is 7 players from the Academies/Prep schools have IMMEDIATELY started at SMU in recent years-what does that say about the "quality" of SMU players assuming you are correct?

Wow. Just...wow. Okay, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. Now can you answer my simple Rivals question.