What now?

[biggin]

Well I predicted PJ would not choose SMU. You had to figure it. What I did not predict is that SMU would apparently offer as much money as it did.

I have said early on that there was a lack of interest in this job, and I still believe that to be true. Not NO interest just a lack of interest. For $1.5M - $2M I believe SMU will find someone that will be a good hire. But it is not as easy as going to the Tom Thumb on the corner. It will take some effort and it probably wont be a splash hire we are looking for. My SMU connecttion said Gill is out and I believe that. Gailey - don't know. Hope not.

I am still concerned - but I always was.

[bigdaddy08091]

Well I predicted PJ would not choose SMU. You had to figure it. What I did not predict is that SMU would apparently offer as much money as it did.

I have said early on that there was a lack of interest in this job, and I still believe that to be true. Not NO interest just a lack of interest. For $1.5M - $2M I believe SMU will find someone that will be a good hire. But it is not as easy as going to the Tom Thumb on the corner. It will take some effort and it probably wont be a splash hire we are looking for. My SMU connecttion said Gill is out and I believe that. Gailey - don't know. Hope not.

I am still concerned - but I always was.

And now we have showed our hand. We have to pay the next HC at SMU what we have offered whether he is worth it or not.

[mrydel]

Well I predicted PJ would not choose SMU. You had to figure it. What I did not predict is that SMU would apparently offer as much money as it did.

I have said early on that there was a lack of interest in this job, and I still believe that to be true. Not NO interest just a lack of interest. For $1.5M - $2M I believe SMU will find someone that will be a good hire. But it is not as easy as going to the Tom Thumb on the corner. It will take some effort and it probably wont be a splash hire we are looking for. My SMU connecttion said Gill is out and I believe that. Gailey - don't know. Hope not.

I am still concerned - but I always was.

Someone "in the know" on this board has said Gailey is going back to the pros and is not interested, but for what it is worth ($0.00), the perception of Gailey outside of Dallas is not nearly as bad as it is for those of you in Dallas. There you see him as a joke as the Cowboy coach. Out here in the outside world, he is seen as a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

[perunapower]

Not NO interest just a lack of interest.

Just what does 'lack of" mean? Lack means to be absent or missing, so this can only mean no interest and lack of interest are the same.

[Ponyx2]

Not NO interest just a lack of interest.

Just what does 'lack of" mean? Lack means to be absent or missing, so this can only mean no interest and lack of interest are the same.

He's said this before and I always took it to mean

No Interest = no one wants the job
Lack of interest = ambivalence

Hate to admit it, but I'm coming around to his musings more and more with every day that goes by.

[mustangxc]

I interpret lack of interest as "not enough or not as much as we would like", however there is clearly interest. It is more a matter of SMU accepting the reality that a Butch Davis or Paul Johnson etc. are not interested. I have no problems with "settling" for a Barnett, Bowden, Neuheisel, or Solich. We have DP baggage and more importantly the baggage of bein Loser U. We are the most inept Bowl Subdivision program of the last 20 years. How can the decision makers not see that. Just like Orsini states the goal of being a top 25 program and positions SMU with all the positives and the vision of what it can be I think he needs to incorporate that same mentality in this search. Look at the candidates for what they can be as evidenced from what they have accomplished and forgive them for their past transgressions. What do I see as positives from SMU: former top 25 program, a couple of national championships, multiple conference championships, bowl games, national award winners, located in the most fertile recruiting region, Dallas business, moving towards top 50 national university, etc. etc. You could also focus on SMU being a tier 2 university which it is, all the fake Dallas people, snobs, losers, ineptitude, lack of national recognition, etc. Same with Barnett, Bowden etc. Look at their national coach of the year awards and their transformation of losing programs into winners.

[huskerpony]

Agreed on almost all points.

Bowden didn't exactly turn around a losing program. It was a historic program that had a couple of bad years and was on probation. They still had a reasonable amount of talent on that team and were able to retain most of it even though they were on probation by bringing in a Bowden.

(Not knocking Bowden, what he did there was incredible, but Auburn wasn't exactly in SMU's situation!)

[mustangxc]

Agreed on almost all points.

Bowden didn't exactly turn around a losing program. It was a historic program that had a couple of bad years and was on probation. They still had a reasonable amount of talent on that team and were able to retain most of it even though they were on probation by bringing in a Bowden.

(Not knocking Bowden, what he did there was incredible, but Auburn wasn't exactly in SMU's situation!)

That is pretty much what I meant. To me taking a 5-6 team to national championship status is just as good as a winless team to bowl status. I compare Bowden's accomplishment to Pete Carroll without the longevity and with some murkiness added to it. Although as much as I love SC and Pete Carroll, they might have a cloud over them in the next few seasons. Hence my argument that nobody is perfect.

[huskerpony]

Although as much as I love SC and Pete Carroll, they might have a cloud over them in the next few seasons. Hence my argument that nobody is perfect.

Yeah. It's actually hard to keep recruiting going when you have a dynasty. Not that they will likely drop below third in the PAC-10 or anything, it's just that your team is stacked too deep and getting playing time at an up-and-coming program is more attractive to a lot of players than sitting the bench for 3-4 years to get one year of glory. Plus, your competitors scoop up all the kids with raw talent that can be developed who aren't being highly sought after. That all only lasts a couple of years though. They'll be back in no time.

[mustangxc]

Although as much as I love SC and Pete Carroll, they might have a cloud over them in the next few seasons. Hence my argument that nobody is perfect.

Yeah. It's actually hard to keep recruiting going when you have a dynasty. Not that they will likely drop below third in the PAC-10 or anything, it's just that your team is stacked too deep and getting playing time at an up-and-coming program is more attractive to a lot of players than sitting the bench for 3-4 years to get one year of glory. Plus, your competitors scoop up all the kids with raw talent that can be developed who aren't being highly sought after. That all only lasts a couple of years though. They'll be back in no time.

I have no doubt that SC will remain competitive and in contention for national championships while Carroll is there. I was referring to the allegations that Bush received monetary compensation while at SC.

[huskerpony]

Although as much as I love SC and Pete Carroll, they might have a cloud over them in the next few seasons. Hence my argument that nobody is perfect.

Yeah. It's actually hard to keep recruiting going when you have a dynasty. Not that they will likely drop below third in the PAC-10 or anything, it's just that your team is stacked too deep and getting playing time at an up-and-coming program is more attractive to a lot of players than sitting the bench for 3-4 years to get one year of glory. Plus, your competitors scoop up all the kids with raw talent that can be developed who aren't being highly sought after. That all only lasts a couple of years though. They'll be back in no time.

I have no doubt that SC will remain competitive and in contention for national championships while Carroll is there. I was referring to the allegations that Bush received monetary compensation while at SC.

Oh. Gotcha. That shouldn't affect them too much I wouldn't think since Bush isn't there any more. Small distraction for Carroll, but won't affect the players unless there is a huge scandal lurking out there somewhere. Shoot, neither of the Lawrence Phillips fiascoes (the assault or the investigation into him having an agent) made much of a dent in Nebraska's success after he left and the investigation was ongoing. Still won the NC two years later.