Georgia Tech's Top Recruit a QB Promptly De-Commits

[Dwan]

Wait, how recent is that quote? Gibbs is alive?

[Junior]

Former Oklahoma coach Gary Gibbs, who helped usher the 'bone out of the Sooners' playbook, said years ago, "If you're a wide receiver, do you want to come to a school to be a blocker, or do you want to catch passes? Does a running back want to be a lead blocker for the quarterback, or get the ball 25 times?"

So.....what's the answer?

[Stallion]

THAT WOULD BE TWO(12/08/07 Report):


Henry County (Ga.) wide receiver Chris Jackson was one of the first commitments for Coach Chan Gailey's Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets for the 2008 class. With the firing of Gailey, Jackson, 6-foot-1, 190 pounds, has decided to look at other options, and this weekend, he has decided to take an official to Alabama.

[Dwan]

The QB Renfree committed there because of Chan Gailey and the academics and now does not have a ton of offers......

[Stallion]

he's been committed for 6 months, he won the State Championship and had all kinds of offers earlier. Rated 5.7 and No. 12 Pro Style QB in Nation. Let's give him more than 12 hours before you write him off

[Dwan]

in that 6 months a lot of other schools have taken their QBs, Oregon State just offered him. Could be an opportunity for us. He did commit to a small private school in a major city in the south that has a good academic rep......

[bigdaddy08091]

I've said this about 10 times already. Because a veerbone RB never gets more than about 10-12 carries a game. I've watched the recruiting game for 30 years. You can't recruit the top talent running a veer bone. The great RBs want to be spotlighted in either an I-Formation where they carry the ball 25-30 times a game or a pro-style spread offense where he get the ball either running or catching and showcase their skills for the NFL. Its called Spotlighting-they want to be the MAN(even though they ain't 40)

Nobody is carrying the ball that many times a game but Tebow. I was waiting on someone else with some knowledge to pipe in on this but I must. In the veerbone or brokenbone I call it, unless you are the fullback you are lined up in a slot type position. You are not the focus of the running attack, the QB and FB are the focal point. The other running backs are kind of like misdirection. Some of what you are saying is true but some is not. You can carry the ball 20 times a game and catch it 2-3 times a game, depending on what the D is doing. NFL scouts could care less. They are looking for the best athletes, whatever and wherever they are playing. Receivers in the veerbone are lost. Most are just kids that can block in the open field and catch good enough. GT will be very dissapointed in PJ after one season. You think Chan was boring, wait till you see this.

[huskerpony]

I've said this about 10 times already. Because a veerbone RB never gets more than about 10-12 carries a game. I've watched the recruiting game for 30 years. You can't recruit the top talent running a veer bone. The great RBs want to be spotlighted in either an I-Formation where they carry the ball 25-30 times a game or a pro-style spread offense where he get the ball either running or catching and showcase their skills for the NFL. Its called Spotlighting-they want to be the MAN(even though they ain't 40)

Nobody is carrying the ball that many times a game but Tebow. I was waiting on someone else with some knowledge to pipe in on this but I must. In the veerbone or brokenbone I call it, unless you are the fullback you are lined up in a slot type position. You are not the focus of the running attack, the QB and FB are the focal point. The other running backs are kind of like misdirection. Some of what you are saying is true but some is not. You can carry the ball 20 times a game and catch it 2-3 times a game, depending on what the D is doing. NFL scouts could care less. They are looking for the best athletes, whatever and wherever they are playing. Receivers in the veerbone are lost. Most are just kids that can block in the open field and catch good enough. GT will be very dissapointed in PJ after one season. You think Chan was boring, wait till you see this.

Right on about the focal points of the offense--even more so in a veerbone/flexbone or whatever they want to call it these days--but I don't think there were too many people at Oklahoma or Nebraska who were bored with all of their winning. Boring was watching Nebraska put up 40 or 50 points multiple times and lose (kind of like SMU......hmmmm). People went nuts every time we ran the option this year (two plays, I think).

Bottom line is winning is exciting, losing sucks. Defense is what allows you to win, and the best defense is a good offense--whether it is eating up the clock or scoring. It doesn't matter what type of system it is, as long as it works. We could run the ball up the middle every damn play all year long for all I care. I just want to win and go to a bowl game.

[Eagle01]

I've said this about 10 times already. Because a veerbone RB never gets more than about 10-12 carries a game. I've watched the recruiting game for 30 years. You can't recruit the top talent running a veer bone. The great RBs want to be spotlighted in either an I-Formation where they carry the ball 25-30 times a game or a pro-style spread offense where he get the ball either running or catching and showcase their skills for the NFL. Its called Spotlighting-they want to be the MAN(even though they ain't 40)

Nobody is carrying the ball that many times a game but Tebow. I was waiting on someone else with some knowledge to pipe in on this but I must. In the veerbone or brokenbone I call it, unless you are the fullback you are lined up in a slot type position. You are not the focus of the running attack, the QB and FB are the focal point. The other running backs are kind of like misdirection. Some of what you are saying is true but some is not. You can carry the ball 20 times a game and catch it 2-3 times a game, depending on what the D is doing. NFL scouts could care less. They are looking for the best athletes, whatever and wherever they are playing. Receivers in the veerbone are lost. Most are just kids that can block in the open field and catch good enough. GT will be very dissapointed in PJ after one season. You think Chan was boring, wait till you see this.

I couldn't disagree more. The spread option (which is what PJ will run at GT) is exciting and no one (not even the quaterback) knows who is going to get the ball on a given play. It's all a read and react offense. If the Defense takes away the first option (the fullback), the QB keeps it and has to decide whether to keep it (second option) or pitch it to the slotback (third option) all based on what the defense does. It has the capacity for a lot of 20+ yard plays when run correctly. It's definately not the old veerbone or wishbone offense that was run in the 60s.

However, you are right that the wide receivers don't get involved much, but when they do, they're usually there for big plays as they have one-on-one coverage down the sidelines.

And lets be honest, there aren't a lot of guys going to GT who are going to go to the NFL, so they'll recruit to fit the system. Smaller offensive lineman and lots of high school quarterbacks who will get moved to slotback.

[Stallion]

All you guys are pulling this out of your [deleted]. Go find me a RB in the veerbone or wishbone that carries the ball even 20 times a game-I can find about 500 kids in recent years where the TB or I Back carries the ball over 25 over 30 times each and every game. I can find plenty of guys who carried the ball 40 times a game. You know this-if you watch college football-its silly for me to even have to name names. SOMETIMES there might be a FULLBACK every 3-4 years who carries the ball 20 times a game but these guys are just workhorses not spotlighted backs. I'd be surprised if there is a single veer or wishbone RB in the Top 50 RBs in the Country for the last several years

[huskerpony]

All you guys are pulling this out of your [deleted]. Go find me a RB in the veerbone or wishbone that carries the ball even 20 times a game-I can find about 500 kids in recent years where the TB or I Back carries the ball over 25 over 30 times each and every game. I can find plenty of guys who carried the ball 40 times a game. You know this-if you watch college football-its silly for me to even have to name names. SOMETIMES there might be a FULLBACK every 3-4 years who carries the ball 20 times a game but these guys are just workhorses not spotlighted backs. I'd be surprised if there is a single veer or wishbone RB in the Top 50 RBs in the Country for the last several years

40 times a game? No one has ever done that consistently except for Troy Davis, and I think he only averaged 35 carries a game.

[Stallion]

I said "40 times a game". Forte and Kevin Smith in our conference alone this year

[huskerpony]

I said "40 times a game". Forte and Kevin Smith in our conference alone this year

2 games does not count as consistently.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/statistics

That is a hell of a lot of carries though. But naming two C-USA players that are not the norm does not make your point valid. They had 100 more carries than the next two leading rushers in the country (Ray Rice and McFadden, neither of who had more than 40 carries ever and several games under 20)--meaning those teams had no one else to go to and/or their coaches are just bright enough to know that no C-USA defense can stop the run.

[bigdaddy08091]

I've said this about 10 times already. Because a veerbone RB never gets more than about 10-12 carries a game. I've watched the recruiting game for 30 years. You can't recruit the top talent running a veer bone. The great RBs want to be spotlighted in either an I-Formation where they carry the ball 25-30 times a game or a pro-style spread offense where he get the ball either running or catching and showcase their skills for the NFL. Its called Spotlighting-they want to be the MAN(even though they ain't 40)

Nobody is carrying the ball that many times a game but Tebow. I was waiting on someone else with some knowledge to pipe in on this but I must. In the veerbone or brokenbone I call it, unless you are the fullback you are lined up in a slot type position. You are not the focus of the running attack, the QB and FB are the focal point. The other running backs are kind of like misdirection. Some of what you are saying is true but some is not. You can carry the ball 20 times a game and catch it 2-3 times a game, depending on what the D is doing. NFL scouts could care less. They are looking for the best athletes, whatever and wherever they are playing. Receivers in the veerbone are lost. Most are just kids that can block in the open field and catch good enough. GT will be very dissapointed in PJ after one season. You think Chan was boring, wait till you see this.

Right on about the focal points of the offense--even more so in a veerbone/flexbone or whatever they want to call it these days--but I don't think there were too many people at Oklahoma or Nebraska who were bored with all of their winning. Boring was watching Nebraska put up 40 or 50 points multiple times and lose (kind of like SMU......hmmmm). People went nuts every time we ran the option this year (two plays, I think).

Bottom line is winning is exciting, losing sucks. Defense is what allows you to win, and the best defense is a good offense--whether it is eating up the clock or scoring. It doesn't matter what type of system it is, as long as it works. We could run the ball up the middle every damn play all year long for all I care. I just want to win and go to a bowl game.

True that, but the defenses are getting to quick and fast for the absolute running game. You have to be versitile to be successful. We will see what PJ does in the ACC, if he runs the veerbone/brokenbone.

[bigdaddy08091]

I've said this about 10 times already. Because a veerbone RB never gets more than about 10-12 carries a game. I've watched the recruiting game for 30 years. You can't recruit the top talent running a veer bone. The great RBs want to be spotlighted in either an I-Formation where they carry the ball 25-30 times a game or a pro-style spread offense where he get the ball either running or catching and showcase their skills for the NFL. Its called Spotlighting-they want to be the MAN(even though they ain't 40)

Nobody is carrying the ball that many times a game but Tebow. I was waiting on someone else with some knowledge to pipe in on this but I must. In the veerbone or brokenbone I call it, unless you are the fullback you are lined up in a slot type position. You are not the focus of the running attack, the QB and FB are the focal point. The other running backs are kind of like misdirection. Some of what you are saying is true but some is not. You can carry the ball 20 times a game and catch it 2-3 times a game, depending on what the D is doing. NFL scouts could care less. They are looking for the best athletes, whatever and wherever they are playing. Receivers in the veerbone are lost. Most are just kids that can block in the open field and catch good enough. GT will be very dissapointed in PJ after one season. You think Chan was boring, wait till you see this.

I couldn't disagree more. The spread option (which is what PJ will run at GT) is exciting and no one (not even the quaterback) knows who is going to get the ball on a given play. It's all a read and react offense. If the Defense takes away the first option (the fullback), the QB keeps it and has to decide whether to keep it (second option) or pitch it to the slotback (third option) all based on what the defense does. It has the capacity for a lot of 20+ yard plays when run correctly. It's definately not the old veerbone or wishbone offense that was run in the 60s.

However, you are right that the wide receivers don't get involved much, but when they do, they're usually there for big plays as they have one-on-one coverage down the sidelines.

And lets be honest, there aren't a lot of guys going to GT who are going to go to the NFL, so they'll recruit to fit the system. Smaller offensive lineman and lots of high school quarterbacks who will get moved to slotback.

That is what I said, other than the name of the offense. It does not have spread in it anywhere. The last paragraph is what GT is trying to avoid. They want exposure. When the team gets exposure, players will in turn get exposure.