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Postby mrydel » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:53 pm

Stallion wrote:Isn't jerry Gray the Horn who made that unbelievable diving play to knock down McIllhenny's pass to the end zone to preserve a 9-7 Texas victory in 1981 at Texas Stadium? Don't know if I could forgive him for that.


I recall 3 things from that game. UT making a long FG by inches. SMU missing a long FG by inches. And a fumble that I clearly saw an SMU player fall on, and then a huge pile of players on top of him, and ultimately when unpiled a UT player had the ball. I heard later that the ball actually changed hand 2 or 3 times in the pile.
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Postby thefamousguy » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:46 pm

Stallion wrote:I realize it would take a huge financial commitment to get Gray-but heck at some point if we are going to complain about the lack of minority coaches we've got to have some minorities take some jobs. I'm kinda of intriqued with Jerry Gray. Certainly better than Chan Gailey. I'm going to pretend he's the guy the plane is for until I see a better explanation of why it is in Washington Dulles Airport. Going out on a limb-a hunch-now let's see if someone saws it off. Check your contacts Kate


I thought and continue to hope Orsini is looking for someone with Head Coaching experience, Period. I don't care what color he is, if he hasn't been a head coach he isn't the person for this job. You guys just don't seem to understand how much more of a risk it is to hire a coach for THIS job who hasn't been the Head man before.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:56 pm

and what you don't seem to understand is that none of these Coaches we keep talking about may be interested in SMU or Turner has no interest in them. There are plenty of great coordinators who have made great head coaches. Only uninformed posters would even suggest otherwise. I can go right down that list of coaches and cast great doubt on the possibility they are SMU's next Coach
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Postby bigdaddy08091 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:17 pm

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Stallion wrote:I realize it would take a huge financial commitment to get Gray-but heck at some point if we are going to complain about the lack of minority coaches we've got to have some minorities take some jobs. I'm kinda of intriqued with Jerry Gray. Certainly better than Chan Gailey. I'm going to pretend he's the guy the plane is for until I see a better explanation of why it is in Washington Dulles Airport. Going out on a limb-a hunch-now let's see if someone saws it off. Check your contacts Kate


I thought and continue to hope Orsini is looking for someone with Head Coaching experience, Period. I don't care what color he is, if he hasn't been a head coach he isn't the person for this job. You guys just don't seem to understand how much more of a risk it is to hire a coach for THIS job who hasn't been the Head man before.


You are preaching to the choir, but who wants the job? We need to take some risk at this point. You speak of this job like it is something special to the coaching world. We are the only ones who think this is a special place. We should be happy with any coach with a positive background and track record. Pick the best one and lets roll.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:43 pm

BigDaddy-here's an article which is a couple of years old on Gray's Coaching development. Most interesting is the comment toward the end that his goal was to become a HEAD COACH and not necessarily in the professional ranks. Interesting

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Ur ... cd=3&gl=us
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Postby thefamousguy » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:46 pm

Stallion wrote:and what you don't seem to understand is that none of these Coaches we keep talking about may be interested in SMU or Turner has no interest in them. There are plenty of great coordinators who have made great head coaches. Only uninformed posters would even suggest otherwise. I can go right down that list of coaches and cast great doubt on the possibility they are SMU's next Coach


First of all I watch enough football and grew up playing the game so i know there are plenty of head coaches who made the transition. All of them had to at some point.

Unfortunately this little school we went to called SMU tried that before and screwed it up. Since you're the self proclaimed expert you probably know that. Therefore, we need to try something new. If we were a school that had not lost for the last 20 years, we could afford to take the coordinator risk again.

The risk needs to be limited with this hire by hiring someone with experience. If you're the board of a computer company and you're fighting to keep the doors open/catch up to the competition, do you

A. Hire a very sharp recent graduate as your new CEO to save the business?

B. Hire a CEO with experience, who has gone into other struggling
computer companies and turned the business around?


Maybe you will get my point a little better now that i've broken it down into little wittle baby bite size bites for your miniature horse mouth(stallion). :x
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Postby PhirePhilBennett » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:08 pm

Isn't he the guy that Bennett 'let go' and went to UH?

Wasn't good enough for Bennett as I recall.
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Postby PhirePhilBennett » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:09 pm

thefamousguy wrote:
Stallion wrote:and what you don't seem to understand is that none of these Coaches we keep talking about may be interested in SMU or Turner has no interest in them. There are plenty of great coordinators who have made great head coaches. Only uninformed posters would even suggest otherwise. I can go right down that list of coaches and cast great doubt on the possibility they are SMU's next Coach


First of all I watch enough football and grew up playing the game so i know there are plenty of head coaches who made the transition. All of them had to at some point.

Unfortunately this little school we went to called SMU tried that before and screwed it up. Since you're the self proclaimed expert you probably know that. Therefore, we need to try something new. If we were a school that had not lost for the last 20 years, we could afford to take the coordinator risk again.

The risk needs to be limited with this hire by hiring someone with experience. If you're the board of a computer company and you're fighting to keep the doors open/catch up to the competition, do you

A. Hire a very sharp recent graduate as your new CEO to save the business?

B. Hire a CEO with experience, who has gone into other struggling
computer companies and turned the business around?


Maybe you will get my point a little better now that i've broken it down into little wittle baby bite size bites for your miniature horse mouth(stallion). :x


Hows that GM working out for the Rangers?
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:17 pm

Not the same guy
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Postby thefamousguy » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:32 pm

Stallion wrote:Not the same guy


Can i buy a chunk of that marble from your hard head?
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:47 pm

Look Sport just because you can name a long list of experienced Coaches who would would make great SMU Coaches doesn't mean a single one of them is interested or that SMU is interested in them. I've said I want an experienced Coach with a resume too. But I know enough to realize that may not happen. You better prepare yourself for a let down. Its becoming quite evident to me that if any of those guys were availiable we would have seen them pounced upon. Get ready for a guy like Chan the Man. Personally, I am not so wedded to a silly idea like all CANDIDATES must have head coaching experience if it means Chan the Man
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Postby Peruna_Ate_My_Rolex » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:51 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:this would be an interesting hire. BigDaddy, it looks like Grey took a step back in Washington to secondary coach after previously being a DC. Maybe SMU wouldnt be totally out of the question.


That's because his then head coach, Gregg Williams, became the Defense Coordinator. Probably felt comfortable in that role rather than work with someone else. That or a DC position wasn't available and he took the first thing that was offered.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:53 pm

actually Jerry Gray had 3 other offers for NFL Assistant coaching jobs last year. He's interviewed for 2 NFL Head Coaching jobs and the head Coaching job at Syracuse.
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Postby Ikus » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:02 pm

PhirePhilBennett wrote:Isn't he the guy that Bennett 'let go' and went to UH?
Thought that was Oscar Giles.
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Postby Stallion » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:04 pm

Yes. The only thing in common is that they are UT graduates. Jerry Gray is an outstanding candidate for this job who I hope is interested. BTW could be the greatest DB to ever play in the SWC-was included as the top votegetter in an All-SWC History team as a DB. BTW the plane is still at Dulles airport.
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