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by Water Pony » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:23 pm
SMU89 wrote:Water Pony wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:as long as we did not delay the process or forego any good options due to the longshot flirtation with PJ. Better to have a good candidate now than a marginally better (albeit subjective) candidate two weeks from now. Thing is, PJ was not even a clearcut best fit for this job anyway.
Good recap. We need a coach, who has a formula for success specifically designed for SMU. Our needs are significant and the solution needs to be urgently applied. Hiring the right guy is not as urgent as his formula for success
"Hiring the right guy is not as urgent as his formula for success" ?????????? The right guy would have the right formula; otherwise, he would not be the right guy.
Getting the right guy with the right formula is more important than rushing a decision
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by SMU89 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:34 pm
Water Pony wrote:SMU89 wrote:Water Pony wrote:Hoop Fan wrote:as long as we did not delay the process or forego any good options due to the longshot flirtation with PJ. Better to have a good candidate now than a marginally better (albeit subjective) candidate two weeks from now. Thing is, PJ was not even a clearcut best fit for this job anyway.
Good recap. We need a coach, who has a formula for success specifically designed for SMU. Our needs are significant and the solution needs to be urgently applied. Hiring the right guy is not as urgent as his formula for success
"Hiring the right guy is not as urgent as his formula for success" ?????????? The right guy would have the right formula; otherwise, he would not be the right guy.
Getting the right guy with the right formula is more important than rushing a decision
Agree. Steve will get it right and is working hard to do so.
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by biggin » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:50 pm
Yay! Yay for Urban Meyer! Yay! and HOoray!
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by perunapower » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:29 pm
biggin wrote:Yay! Yay for Urban Meyer! Yay! and HOoray!
What's your deal? Does it really hurt to be pessimistic about the coaching search? You have ZERO idea what's really going on just like the rest of us. What's your proof that Steve-O is going to fail? The fact that Paul Johnson went to GT? The fact that Troy Calhoun (an AF alum and first-year coach there) would rather stay at AF? I guess Michigan and Arkansas are going to fail too. They can't seem to convince other coaches to leave their jobs to go to those schools either.
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by biggin » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:35 pm
perunapower wrote:biggin wrote:Yay! Yay for Urban Meyer! Yay! and HOoray!
What's your deal? Does it really hurt to be pessimistic about the coaching search? You have ZERO idea what's really going on just like the rest of us. What's your proof that Steve-O is going to fail? The fact that Paul Johnson went to GT? The fact that Troy Calhoun (an AF alum and first-year coach there) would rather stay at AF? I guess Michigan and Arkansas are going to fail too. They can't seem to convince other coaches to leave their jobs to go to those schools either.
My big beef is the fact that Orsini had to know all along that the interest level and chances of landing a big fish were low. Gary Barnett came out early on to say he would like a chance. Looks like Orsini spent all of his energy and time on a 6 week wild goose chase. Talk about snipe hunts. He could have solved SMU's woes 7 weeks ago and squandered it. Whether it was a realistic gamble or not only he will know. But I think he was played and he knows it. Now it just looks like he is spinning his wheels.

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by PK » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:39 pm
Well, don't forget Turner's involvement here. As much as we don't like his involvement, he is the University President and as such he can stick his nose into it. So give SO some slack here.
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by huskerpony » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:43 pm
PK wrote:Well, don't forget Turner's involvement here. As much as we don't like his involvement, he is the University President and as such he can stick his nose into it. So give SO some slack here.
I thought from the moment I read Turner's comments about having 2 lists made it sound like Orsini wanted Barnett and Turner didn't.
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by perunapower » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:49 pm
biggin wrote:My big beef is the fact that Orsini had to know all along that the interest level and chances of landing a big fish were low. Gary Barnett came out early on to say he would like a chance. Looks like Orsini spent all of his energy and time on a 6 week wild goose chase. Talk about snipe hunts. He could have solved SMU's woes 7 weeks ago and squandered it. Whether it was a realistic gamble or not only he will know. But I think he was played and he knows it. Now it just looks like he is spinning his wheels.
Who's to say we aren't going to land a big fish? Just because it's December 9th doesn't mean that we are going to have to settle for a guppy. If you can prove that going after Paul Johnson was a wild goose chase that wasted all of Orsini's time and energy, then please do. I highly doubt you have any substantiated evidence to give credence to that claim. How do you know he wasn't sifting through phone calls, emails, resumes, interviews, etc.? The absence of information doesn't not automatically mean we are failing; it simply means there is an absence of information. So quit jumping to conclusions.
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by biggin » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:56 pm
I have always stood by the fact that there was a lack of interest in this job. Orsini had a big fish on a silver platter with Barnett and he threw it back. No way he goes back there now. Stop with the conspiracy theories about disagreement between Turner and Orsini. Who is jumping to conclusions now, Sherlock?
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by giacfsp » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:03 am
I agree with perunapower. It's encouraging to me that nobody knows where Steve-O is right now. I don't care if it's a coordinator or Jimmy Johnson ... I have surprisingly strong faith in Steve-O's ability to identify and land a coach (and Barnett never was a player in this search). I never got excited about the Johnson idea (hate the option offense), and aside from the ensuing smear campaign  by PonyFans, no less  I'm glad that didn't work out. Steve-O will deliver us a coach.
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by perunapower » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:07 am
biggin wrote:I have always stood by the fact that there was a lack of interest in this job. Orsini had a big fish on a silver platter with Barnett and he threw it back. No way he goes back there now. Stop with the conspiracy theories about disagreement between Turner and Orsini. Who is jumping to conclusions now, Sherlock?
I've NEVER stated there was disagreement between Turner and Orsini. I don't say there is disagreement because I don't know. Quit making up stuff!
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by huskerpony » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:13 am
perunapower wrote:biggin wrote:I have always stood by the fact that there was a lack of interest in this job. Orsini had a big fish on a silver platter with Barnett and he threw it back. No way he goes back there now. Stop with the conspiracy theories about disagreement between Turner and Orsini. Who is jumping to conclusions now, Sherlock?
I've NEVER stated there was disagreement between Turner and Orsini. I don't say there is disagreement because I don't know. Quit making up stuff!
I did. But that was pure speculation. Just that there would be no reason to have two lists if they were all on the same page. I clearly have no insight into what either one is thinking, nor does anyone else.
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by Water Pony » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:07 am
biggin wrote:I have always stood by the fact that there was a lack of interest in this job. Orsini had a big fish on a silver platter with Barnett and he threw it back. No way he goes back there now. Stop with the conspiracy theories about disagreement between Turner and Orsini. Who is jumping to conclusions now, Sherlock?
There is no fact that there is no interest in this job. Barnett, Neuheisel, Johnson, Franchione, etc. have been linked and more I am sure.
Recrimminations on Steve O are a bit absurb, don't you think? This is one tough job and, regardless of the choice, we will be better. Steve knows how important this hire is for the team, school and himself.
Relax.
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by Peruna8891 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:38 am
Perunapower is spot on. To state the obvious, "We don't know what we don't know." While I disagree with the level of secrecy surounding this search, it is unfair to characterize Steve O as anything but a compenent professional, and unwise to assume he is doing anything but his best work on this hire. I am sure he knows how important it is to his future and SMU's. Without evidence to the contrary, for which there is none at this point, it is foolish to climb out on the limb of negativity and assume the worst case scenario, as some here have done.
The problem with a know-it-all is that he doesn't know, that he doesn't know it all.
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