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[Hoop Fan]

Ease up on the criticism of the Doh hire. Doh is a great coach. He is a nationally recognized name. Doh is not the reason DISD has turned its back on SMU. Doh is not the reason he was forced to play several freshman. Doh is not the reason we only have 2 seniors on the team. Doh is not the reason SMU has a sports model that fosters losing.

Great? ok sure. What is the reason DISD and more accurately South D has turned its back again? Better yet, whose job is it and what are we doing to get them back? It wasnt long ago we had players from Lincoln (Davis, Hop), Kimball (Sasser, Ross), Lancaster (Isham) and Desoto (Dez,Damon H). And if we could have kept Dez from transferring to north freakin texas, we would have another senior leader. but then we wouldnt have as many excuses would we?

Hoops, Tubbs recruited those guys for Dement. We brought Tubbs in to continue to get those type players. Big new confrence all the DIST coaches showing up promising this and that, blah, blah alll talk. Well, we all know what the result of that was. To my knowledge he didn't get one top DISD player. ....and Dez, comon hoops you watched enough basketball to know that guy was soft.

Love the double standard. Tubbs recruited one class. One. Do you realize that? One guy is expected to have overnight results while the other needs time? I am as patient as anybody, but you cant lose to SC Upstates and Southerns no matter what. Dement and Tubbs werent given that luxury.

[gostangs]

Give it up Hoops - we were going downhill fast with Tubbs - and we didnt have very far to go...he was worthless. Doh is getting much better looks from around the country - the DISD guys will wake up when we get a little better. It would be nice to have them, but we can do it without them with Doh

- with Tubbs - it was that or nothing - and we were not getting them.

[mustang91]

SMU rarely has JC trasfers for all the reasons talked about on this board. You can't fault Doh for that. As far as this years class it's obviously to early to tell the quality level. I know we are getting for the first time I can remember, serious looks from guys being recruited by top tier schools. That's a big step forward.

let me let you in on a secret. Papa Dias recruitment started before Doherty got here. He and Bamba are from the same hometown by the way. Papa is the difference maker in the this class. Malone has a some potential and guess what he is not Dohs recruit originally either. Without Papa, this class is nothing special, just big on numbers. Others have commented on next years class, which is ok. I don't know how much you followed recruiting under dement and tubbs but we were under consideration from good players at other times. We narrowly missed out on a kid that went Cincinnati and became a stud. Darrell Arthur had us on his list for a long time. If you are impressed by stuff like that, the current situation is not a big step forward. Tell us the bigtime players we are getting such serious looks from now.

Doh closed the deals on Dia and Malone. Those guys were on a lot of teams recruiting list. It's one thing to recruit a guy and another to sign him. I don't believe Arthur ever truely considered SMU except as a favor to Tubbs who was a family friend. That's just my opinion. But you would know more about it, let's face it your screen name is Hoop Fan. Read the basketball & recruiting boards over the past year and tell me there isn't interest from top players. Come on Hoop I'm not going to get into a [deleted] contest with you over this.

[mustang91]

Hoops you went to the games, let's face it Tubbs simply couldn't coach. He was a mistake hire and everyone knew it and was let go at the first possible chance.

Let's be fair Dement had plenty of time to win. He didn't.

[Hoop Fan]

Give it up Hoops - we were going downhill fast with Tubbs - and we didnt have very far to go...he was worthless. Doh is getting much better looks from around the country - the DISD guys will wake up when we get a little better. It would be nice to have them, but we can do it without them with Doh

- with Tubbs - it was that or nothing - and we were not getting them.

Laughable. You concluded that after one year of recruiting? I wanted results sooner, but kids dont just fall over for you when you snap your fingers. Even so, with Ike, Dez, Morris, Bamba, the type and caliber of tubbs recruit wasnt any different than Dohs. Difference is Papa so far.

As for x and o, motivation etc, the product on the floor looks no different than tubbs and dement coached teams. it just doesn't. Best indicator of that is not what i say, its the lack of fans at the games even by SMU standards and the obvious lack of enthusiasm. There is no buzz in moody about a promising young team right now, none. Sorry, the buzz is not there and you know it. Nothing like when Sasser, Willie D and Elsey arrived. and if you think i take pleasure in seeing it or stating it, you're crazy. I wish nothing more than to enjoy and look forward to SMU bball games this season and beyond.

[George S. Patton]

Give it up Hoops - we were going downhill fast with Tubbs - and we didnt have very far to go...he was worthless. Doh is getting much better looks from around the country - the DISD guys will wake up when we get a little better. It would be nice to have them, but we can do it without them with Doh

- with Tubbs - it was that or nothing - and we were not getting them.

Laughable. You concluded that after one year of recruiting? I wanted results sooner, but kids dont just fall over for you when you snap your fingers. Even so, with Ike, Dez, Morris, Bamba, the type and caliber of tubbs recruit wasnt any different than Dohs. Difference is Papa so far.

As for x and o, motivation etc, the product on the floor looks no different than tubbs and dement coached teams. it just doesn't. Best indicator of that is not what i say, its the lack of fans at the games even by SMU standards and the obvious lack of enthusiasm. There is no buzz in moody about a promising young team right now, none. Sorry, the buzz is not there and you know it. Nothing like when Sasser, Willie D and Elsey arrived. and if you think i take pleasure in seeing it or stating it, you're crazy. I wish nothing more than to enjoy and look forward to SMU bball games this season and beyond.

Did we sign Darrell Arthur. Maybe it's me, but I've been to Moody 3 times this year and went to several games last year....and I never saw him on the roster.

Now, when I watched Kansas the other night against Georgia Tech, I saw a Darrell Arthur. Same guy?

Don't tell me who were we in contention for. Tell me who we beat when we signed. And if you want to get into the Dia thing, fine. He hadn't committed to us when Doherty arrived so it was up to that staff to finish the job. And he had to beat out Louisville and OU to do it.

Tubbs was not a Division I coach and didn't understand how to manage a program off the court. And I have two players that I have talked with in the past who will validate that.

[Hoop Fan]

Give it up Hoops - we were going downhill fast with Tubbs - and we didnt have very far to go...he was worthless. Doh is getting much better looks from around the country - the DISD guys will wake up when we get a little better. It would be nice to have them, but we can do it without them with Doh

- with Tubbs - it was that or nothing - and we were not getting them.

Laughable. You concluded that after one year of recruiting? I wanted results sooner, but kids dont just fall over for you when you snap your fingers. Even so, with Ike, Dez, Morris, Bamba, the type and caliber of tubbs recruit wasnt any different than Dohs. Difference is Papa so far.

As for x and o, motivation etc, the product on the floor looks no different than tubbs and dement coached teams. it just doesn't. Best indicator of that is not what i say, its the lack of fans at the games even by SMU standards and the obvious lack of enthusiasm. There is no buzz in moody about a promising young team right now, none. Sorry, the buzz is not there and you know it. Nothing like when Sasser, Willie D and Elsey arrived. and if you think i take pleasure in seeing it or stating it, you're crazy. I wish nothing more than to enjoy and look forward to SMU bball games this season and beyond.

Did we sign Darrell Arthur. Maybe it's me, but I've been to Moody 3 times this year and went to several games last year....and I never saw him on the roster.

Now, when I watched Kansas the other night against Georgia Tech, I saw a Darrell Arthur. Same guy?

Don't tell me who were we in contention for. Tell me who we beat when we signed. And if you want to get into the Dia thing, fine. He hadn't committed to us when Doherty arrived so it was up to that staff to finish the job. And he had to beat out Louisville and OU to do it.

Tubbs was not a Division I coach and didn't understand how to manage a program off the court. And I have two players that I have talked with in the past who will validate that.

I fully realize where Arthur plays and I was not talking up "being close" either. If you would actually read the exchange, I was responding to the comment that we are now at least "being considered" by quality players we have not been considered by before. Its just revisionist to make statements like that.

[Hoop Fan]

And I am not interested in debating credit for the Papa Dia signing, Doh can have it. No debate. What I am interested in is our true recruiting trajectory going forward and Doh's real appeal to those OU caliber recruits. Maybe there is a waiting pipeline into St. Louis, Senegal that Doh can continue to tap, but if not, you have to consider the one off nature of the signing and the role Bamba and his uncle played in attracting Papa to Dallas. We'll see if we can get another Papa caliber recruit or two in the future. That will be telling, not all the knee jerk reacting and shallow thinking that goes on around here.

[papawasamustang]

HoopFan, you get it !

Also, wouldn't a lot more fans come out & see the home town kids.
I know alot of you say it doesn't matter where they come from just as long as they win. Well guess what, they ain't winning & I don't see alot of fans coming in from Calf next year to watch the games next year.

Its an old argument but the local talent must stay home for many reasons.
Butts in the stands & W's. But only 2 of the top 10 in Texas for the 2009 class are considering SMU. One's from LD Bell & none are from Dallas.

Sad.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Why do these guy's from NTS spend so much time on the PONYFANS site?

[overcusser]

Why do these guy's [SIC] from NTS spend so much time on the PONYFANS site?

why to these guys from SMU spend so much time posting about North Texas?

[papawasamustang]

I think it all started because they have a good football coach who appears to be a very good recruiter & they have a very good basketball team.Something we don't get to talk about much around here.
Hopefully we will be able to say the same in the near future.

[overcusser]

Careful Papawas.... complimentary talk like that about North Texas may get you banned from this board. You're not a true SMU fan unless you are disrespectful towards other schools and their fans. Such a demonstration of class is a rare thing on this board.

[ALEX LIFESON]

On post #92 from overcusser "why to these guys from SMU spend so much time posting about North Texas?"

How would you know, if were not over here all the time?

[papawasamustang]

See my opening line on the 1st page of this post.

Is that good enough