Lucky TCU

[CoxSMU]

Ponygrad, you are completely right. Based on the current system, the rankings are right. But the system is wrong. And I am just trying to show why it is completely wrong.

[KnuckleStang]

My hunch is, in the end, whether TCU skips or not, we will continue playing them, and this stuff only enhances and reinvigorates an old rivalry. Look how much everybody is talking! I happen to like what Bennett said (if I was on his team it would fire me up), but I don't think Copeland or Hyman (sp?) will let an 80-some-odd year series go down the toilet over a few words from an outspoken coach. That's just my hunch anyway.

[SmooPower]

Originally posted by EastStang:
There's a real easy way to stop this argument. Let's hope the Ponies beat the Froggies. After that, no one will rank the Froggies in the top 25.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[OldPony]

Cox you are really funny. You have bought the BS C line hook and sinker. It isn't how good you are, it is how good people think you are and those people start woth a bias. UT was a heavy favorite vs Ark but got absolutely run off the field. UT hasn't beaten anyone who is very good have they? Rice and Baylor by 50 etc. Kst- Ask the Mac how good K st is. While you may be right that TCU can't beat the mid teams in the Big 12, you have no more proof than I do in saying they can. I love your explanation of the FSU season. CU is better because they went thru the Big 12 and won against that competition even though FSU beat them. I think CU lost 2 times that year (same as Fresno) but ended up in the #2 bowl because they beat a choking UT team. The only good evidence between the 2 teams was the head to head. FSU won but no decent bowl. While I agree that usually the big name schools are better, it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy when giving more points for beating someone who is "supposed" to be good. I don't think we need to play the season if you take your argument. After all, UT was supposed to be a top 5 club evey year since God was a child. lets just crown them champs now.

[JustAFriend]

I havent been here in awhile but this thread sparked my interest. As for Louisville, they beat Kentucky who took that "oh so great" arkansas team to seven OT's, now I know that doesnt mean TCU would beat Arkansas, or Kentucky, but it does mean that we could play with them. You also praise Georgia so much but dont even mention that they beat the same UAB team at home by the same field goal that TCU did. Since we havent played any of these big name schools, the only comparison to make is against mutual opponents. Now to my last point, Cox, you said Army was the worst team in D-1A football, but maybe you should look closer to home for that title. I am not the only one who thinks that, see ESPN. And as for SMU beating TCU, wow, I dont care how lucky you think we are, or if you think we are overrated, your team will get beaten very badly to end the season. I know its a rivalry game and so on, but so is the Bedlam game and you see what happened there. I know its good to support your program and everything, but lets be a little realistic here. TCU has a very good football team, and God-willing we will be able to settle the argument of whether we can play with the big boys or not, in a BCS bowl. Thats the only way to find out, and I for one would love to see it...

[The PonyGrad]

That TCU game could get ugly. Shoot, they have been willing to run it up on us for no reason. Imagine how much they will try to run it up when the BCS might be on the line.

[Sewanee Stang]

I wouldn't expect Patterson to run up the score like Franchione did. Franchione pulled that same crap by running it up on Baylor this season. I may be wrong , but I think that Patterson has a little more class than that.

[CoxSMU]

"CU is better because they went thru the Big 12 and won against that competition even though FSU beat them"

So Old Pony, you are saying that because Team A beat Team B, they are a better team? That is completely untrue. You keep saying things that are feeding right into my argument. All I am arguing here is that the BCS is screwed up because while TCU has an undefeated record, they are in no way the number 9 team in the nation. Think about what a ranking means...It is a combination of who you beat, how good you are, what your competition as a whole is, and who you lost too( pretty much). What I am trying to say here is that the BCS is screwed up because TCU has an UNBELIEVABLY weak schedule. And....they probably would beat teams like Texas Tech and Arkansas.
You are saying that Fresno St. was better than CU three years ago because they beat them? You should know that you can't determine which team is better by one game. The fact that Fresno went on to lose to TWO wac games shows you that Fresno St. wasn't a top 10 team. Yes, FS beat two very good teams that year. But they also lost to two wac teams. You have to look at the entire picture, which you are not. ..Let's say that SMU opened up the season with a victory over Texas Tech. Eleven games later, SMU is 1-11 and Texas Tech is 11-1. So just because SMU beat Texas Tech, they are the better team? Not at all. Wanna know why? Because you have to look at the entire season as a whole and not just ONE( or even two)game(s).

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[Mike Damone]

This thread is a joke and shows how bitter some people are. Louisville missd a 44 yard field goal into the wind. Not exactly a freak event. Give TCU its due and lets see how many times we go undefeated in C-USA. Maybe that defense isn't as good as we thought, but that offense is much better than expected. Some day I hope there to be that much excitement surrounding an SMU game. I really miss having games that matter.

JAF-you're back. How's your boy doing? Wish him luck.

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[JustAFriend]

He's doing well, I will pass along the wishes.

I am not here to stir a fire or anything like that, I just know it is incredibly difficult to run the table for a season, no matter who is on your schedule. Give OU even more credit, considering who they play. I dont see why the ranking for TCU should be wrong. We started the season in the top 25 and have not lost, I think any team would be in this spot if that were the case. To me, should we run the table, I think the BCS should let us in for this reason: If the BCS lets us in, it shows that the non BCS schools do have a chance. Now, if we were to win that bowl game, or make it close then the BCS has lost nothing, they still put together a great bowl game. If we were to get killed then the BCS shows they were correct in not letting teams in in the past. To me if the BCS were to choose us this year, they don't really lose anything, and they could prove there own point depending on the outcome. Either way, I would think any non BCS school would hope to see us get in, proving that there is hope. Just my take...

[Charleston Pony]

COX: I will stand by my statement that TCU would finish 8-4 or even 9-3 if they were in the Big XII this year. They've got a very good team and we will see that 1st hand in a few weeks. In my statement, I assumed they win their 4 non-conference games and go either 4-4 or 5-3 in Big XII play. I think they would beat Baylor and on any given day can play with TTech, A$M and OSU and even Texas. They would get it handed to them against OU and otherwise it would depend on who they drew in the north...but I think they would do very well at home against most Big XII teams.

Do I think they are a top 10 team? Probably not, because I don't think they'd go 6-2 or 7-1 in the Big XII and that's what a top 10 team will do. Do I think TCU deserves one of the 8 BCS slots? Depends on whether they go unbeaten and whether there are 8 better looking teams ahead of them. Right now, there are. I readily admit there are 2 loss teams that are better than TCU. That's why it's so tough for non-BCS teams to crack that top 8. That's why I favor a 16 team playoff like the "other" Division I group (I-AA) has. TCU, and all conference champs, belong in that event.

I should qualify that last statment. Any champion of a 12 member league would deserve to be in a 16 team playoff.

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[CoxSMU]

Charleston: I didn't mean to get so heated, but I guess trying to prove your point is difficult. I think that TCU would be somewhere between 6-6 and 8-4 in the big 12 and SEC...I just always felt TCU was overrated, and feel even more like that after looking at their schedule. They should be top 25 just because their undefeated...But not 9....Anyway, this discussion is dead...Let's move on.

[Pigskin Frog]

For those that rely on Cox for all their information -- he's telling you half the story. BYU lost their stud running back with a broken leg at the tail end of the regular season. They were rolling along until that.

"Luckily" for TCU, they already lost their RB. And the other one. Ricky Madison was C-USA Offensive Player of the Week in the opener, then out for the year the next week. Lonta Hobbs, the Freshman of the Year, has missed extended time with injuries. Robert Merrill is a freshman.

"Luckily" for TCU, they already lost their QB. Tye Gunn was out for weeks, came back, and is probably gone for the season again. Brandon Hassell had never thrown a pass before this season.

"Luckily" for TCU, the secondary is gaining experience that wasn't planned. Three starters in the secondary have gone down with injuries, and redshirt freshmen are stepping in. Marvin Godbolt, the glue of the secondary who had an interception in each of the first four games, has been out since that time as well.