Orsini=Amateur Hour

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:00 pm

Denim & Diamonds closed years ago. So don't send Orsini there

Sam I Am · Post by **Sam I Am** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:00 pm

I, too, used to enjoy RA on the old MM website. Ponyfans can be fun again if we get more of the old MM crew back here. As for JJ, we are not the only school that has gotten hosed this year by free agent coaches. Heck, we might get Fran only by default. We will be the last to hire, and that is very telling.

The_RichAlum · Post by **The_RichAlum** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:09 pm

Stallion wrote:Denim & Diamonds closed years ago. So don't send Orsini there

That is too bad.....man am I out of the loop. We will have to find another new spot for Steve.

Pony Soup · Post by **Pony Soup** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:10 pm

The_RichAlum wrote:
Stallion wrote:Denim & Diamonds closed years ago. So don't send Orsini there

That is too bad.....man am I out of the loop. We will have to find another new spot for Steve.

Maybe he needs to stop looking for a new coach at ghost bar?

austinponies · Post by **austinponies** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:11 pm

Haha, exactly the response I expected. Everyone knows, anyone who has to brag about their money and cars doesn't have either.

So your investments are money market and index funds. So far your strategies are hardly groundbreaking.

I disagree. Money is a main driver in coach searches. Money can pay for newer, better facilities. Money can turn around recruiting, notwithstanding the football program's quality. Even if it's a downward move, lots of coaches would legitimately consider 2x, 3x their current salary unless they are at a top 5 or 10 program.

If you aren't going to "Pony up" for Spurrier, we can get O.J. for a bargain, my thought from the get go.

Pony Soup · Post by **Pony Soup** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:21 pm

austinponies wrote:Everyone knows, anyone who has to brag about their money and cars doesn't have either.

This is a common misconception. Try again, sur.

OC Mustang · Post by **OC Mustang** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:32 pm

Coaches are most definitely coin-operated (any fool who isn't is exactly that...a fool). However, SMU is simply offering parity, IMHO, at anything less than $1.5mm to $2.0mm to a decent Div 1A coach who is currently coaching at a Top 25 to Top 50 team. SMU needs to offer, again IMHO, ridiculously more to a coach who is currently coaching a team north of Top 25. The fact is that SMU has the distinct potential of severely curtailing a coach's career, right/wrong/indifferent. It just does. That means that in order to remain competitive, the bar for "parity" needs some sandbagging.

So, I agree that money is the prime mover. I do not agree, however, at the top echelons of coaching, that money is the only mover...at least not at the levels that SMU is talking up. Double our purse to $3mm to $4mm per year to sandbag our efforts, and you make your money argument bulletproof. SMU isn't there, and Orsini and Turner simply don't understand that any more than they understand that just because PJ coached well at a service academy doesn't necessarily make him the dude for SMU. SMU is too damn dignified.

Paul_Hugg · Post by **Paul_Hugg** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:40 pm

I miss Denim and Diamonds as much as I miss being age-appropriate for Kite & Key. I've been hitting up Red River here and there, and I think the single moms there are the daughters of the single moms from the Denim and Diamonds heyday in the 90s.

This coaching search has been misplayed badly by Stevie, but even he can't change the fact that Pig Run is right around the corner.

Great New Year's Eve Party Rich Alum. I've never seen so many chicks under 30 on one yacht. It was like Logan's Run on water.

ponylaw · Post by **ponylaw** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:40 pm

The_RichAlum wrote:If he wanted it, he would take it today, following the game He knows what has been on the table for weeks. You think he didn't have a good idea where Hawaii would come in versus SMU a week or so ago?

If he is not jumping immediately, then obviously we aren't his first coaching choice. Why would a successful coach who just played in a big game come coach at SMU? get serious? Orsini is overshooting.

Perhaps JJ already knows that he is going to take the job, but is waiting for the word from SO and the higher ups to decide the right time to announce. I expect that we'll hear something on Monday when students return to school.

Hoop Fan · Post by **Hoop Fan** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:43 pm

OC Mustang wrote:Coaches are most definitely coin-operated (any fool who isn't is exactly that...a fool). However, SMU is simply offering parity, IMHO, at anything less than $1.5mm to $2.0mm to a decent Div 1A coach who is currently coaching at a Top 25 to Top 50 team. SMU needs to offer, again IMHO, ridiculously more to a coach who is currently coaching a team north of Top 25. The fact is that SMU has the distinct potential of severely curtailing a coach's career, right/wrong/indifferent. It just does. That means that in order to remain competitive, the bar for "parity" needs some sandbagging.

So, I agree that money is the prime mover. I do not agree, however, at the top echelons of coaching, that money is the only mover...at least not at the levels that SMU is talking up. Double our purse to $3mm to $4mm per year to sandbag our efforts, and you make your money argument bulletproof. SMU isn't there, and Orsini and Turner simply don't understand that any more than they understand that just because PJ coached well at a service academy doesn't necessarily make him the dude for SMU. SMU is too damn dignified.

As they said back in the day...Word.

perunapower · Post by **perunapower** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:45 pm

ponylaw wrote:I expect that we'll hear something on Monday when students return to school.

Classes don't start Monday. They start Tuesday the 15th.

QuikSStang · Post by **QuikSStang** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:48 pm

ponylaw wrote:
Perhaps JJ already knows that he is going to take the job, but is waiting for the word from SO and the higher ups to decide the right time to announce. I expect that we'll hear something on Monday when students return to school.

don't scare me like that

Sam I Am · Post by **Sam I Am** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:01 am

Welcome back Sir Hugg. This really is a new year with the old MM gang posting again.

ponylaw · Post by **ponylaw** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:04 am

perunapower wrote:
ponylaw wrote:I expect that we'll hear something on Monday when students return to school.

Classes don't start Monday. They start Tuesday the 15th.

Oops! Don't the dorms open up, so at least there would be some presence of life on campus?

Pony_Fan · Post by **Pony_Fan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:44 am

The_RichAlum wrote:Thank You EdP. Its good to see some of the old MM faithful here.

As you can see, there is lots of pent-up frustration on the board.... anywhere from not being in a fraternity to not getting any at home.....on top of the fact that we still don't have a head coach.

Steve-O is looking for love at Bonash when he should be at Denim and Dimaonds.

Hey Old MM board member, it's Beau Nash. Get it straight. I'm sure you were there plenty of time after the market closed.

Orsini=Amateur Hour

Welcome back, RA

Hugg's back, the gang's all here.