In whom do you trust - Rivals or JJ?

[Butts in the Stands]

I was curious about how rivals ranked JJ's recruiting classes at UH. Obviously UH performed well under his leadership (except for the Sugar Bowl this year) and I wondered if our ranking this year should concern SMU fans. Here's what I found:

year - ranking - better class
2008 - UH 72 SMU 89 - UH
2007 - UH 73 SMU 98 - UH
2006 - UH 108 SMU 107 - tie
2005 - UH 85 SMU 81 - tie
2004 - UH 96 SMU 76 - SMU
2003 - UH 83 SMU 62 - SMU
2002 - UH 67 SMU 69 - tie

So, according the Rivals (and if we don't consider 2008 since not one of those players has yet to step on the field and contribute), over the prior 6 years UH had the better class 1 year, SMU had the better class 2 years and we were essentially tied 3 years. Looking at the rankings as a whole, rivals would seem to indicate that we recruited on par with UH over the 6 year period. Are the rivals rankings consistent with the results produced on the field? Obviously not. SMU had 0 winning seasons and UH has had many (including this past year's 12-0) and 6 bowls (including this past year's Sugar bowl).

I put my money on JJ!!!

[smu diamond m]

Fluffer.


Just kidding. I still am a proponent of the "we've been out coached" theory for the last 20 years.

[that's great raplh]

jj the jedi

[Stallion]

None of a multitude of June Jones D1A or other college transfers or late qualifiers would be included by Rivals and that's a substantial part of their talent. For example and not in limitation, those numbers don't reflect the transfers from Colt Brennan, Javon Bess, the kids from Penn St, Nebraska et al and many more. Rivals doesn't tell the full story ESPECIALLY with a school that signs so many recruits from alternative sources. Plus I've never heard of a single expert at a recruiting service on Hawaii high school football.

[PonyExpress]

... Rivals doesn't tell the full story ...

Crap, are you feeling OK?
Seriously, someone down there call a paramedic. He clearly isn't himself today.

[smu diamond m]

JJ

All 5 forums. Stop posting over me, dammit.

[smupony94]

JJ

[Junior]

JJ

[PonyPride]

Recruiting rankings don't guarantee football success

By Jack Carey, USA TODAY

College football fans sometimes pay as much attention to their teams' recruiting rankings as they do to the Bowl Championship Series standings. A good ranking in February is no guarantee that a team will contend for national titles or big-time bowl berths over the next four or five seasons, and recruiting analysts know they engage in an inexact science.
"Sometimes, you look like you're really smart; other times, you look like you don't know what you're doing," says recruiting analyst Allen Wallace...

For the rest of the story, click here:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/recruiti ... anks_N.htm

[Grider]

None of a multitude of June Jones D1A or other college transfers or late qualifiers would be included by Rivals and that's a substantial part of their talent. For example and not in limitation, those numbers don't reflect the transfers from Colt Brennan, Javon Bess, the kids from Penn St, Nebraska et al and many more. Rivals doesn't tell the full story ESPECIALLY with a school that signs so many recruits from alternative sources. Plus I've never heard of a single expert at a recruiting service on Hawaii high school football.

But what if you DID include guys like Brennan and Bess in the recruiting classes? Would the Hawaii classes be ranked that much higher? For example, I just looked back at 2002 and Rivals had Brennan at a 2 star QB that ran a 4.9forty.

[EastStang]

We can all find examples of gems who were in the rough and turned out to be excellent football players. The issue is whether by getting the best known quantities year in and year out, are you going to be appreciably better than the school that loads up on two star players? And the answer is of course yes. One need only look down at Austin to see that a team with great recruits and a mediocre coach can win games year in and year out.

[me@smu]

Also need to throw out that the 2003 class which we clearly were ranked higher contained a bunch fo players that never played or barely played for SMU. For example- Both QBs, Chris Phillips (Injury) and Ricky Joe Meeks ([deleted]) fit the bill.

2004 we had 1 3*...not exactly settig the world on fire with that class.

2005 2 3*s, Clayton Cox and Curtiss Powell never made it into SMU.

Just somethign to consider...


Oh and In JJ we trust!