Coaches Hot Seat BB (look at #2)

[Hoop Fan]

Those Sas, Willie D and Q teams would wipe the floor with these guys. Sas was WAC Freshman of the Year in a much tougher conference than the current C-USA....and as I remember, that 97-98 team was very young too - Sas and Willie D both started as FR.

without a doubt. some people have some severely selective memories around here.

[Hoop Fan]

I have been there for all of the home games. Yes, just so frustrating to lose to Centenary and Co. Yet they have improved through the season and the team is going after the win till the end. I do not have the feeling that I had at the end of the Dement era when it often appeared that the team just gave up-that was worse than anything I have seen this year.
Papa is clearly a player, but Mike Walker has improved significantly as have the other freshmen.
I don't see Doh on any kind of hot seat as long as the team continues with improvement.

you can't honestly compare the end of someones tenure to the beginning of someone elses. Look harder and think about the early years of the Dement tenure vs. these early years of the Doherty tenure.

[LA_Mustang]

Papa is clearly a player, but Mike Walker has improved significantly as have the other freshmen.

I agree on Papa. As for Walker, where have you seen the improvement? I thought he looked pretty good earlier in the year, but not so much lately. He is averaging 4 pts a game and almost 3 TOs a game in conference play. And what other freshmen have you seen significant improvement from?

[couch 'em]

And what other freshmen have you seen significant improvement from?

Granted it isn't saying much, but Harp looks much better recently.

[Swamp Gas]

Those Sas, Willie D and Q teams would wipe the floor with these guys.

Maybe so, but what about when Dia, Malone, Walker, Harp, etc., (not to mention Faye and Nyakundi) are juniors and seniors? I seem to recall being super-frustrated when Sass and Davis were freshmen because of the mental mistakes they made, too. These guys have a lot of potential, from the two games I saw. How much remains to be seen as they get older, and hopefully wiser.

[LA_Mustang]

Maybe so, but what about when Dia, Malone, Walker, Harp, etc., (not to mention Faye and Nyakundi) are juniors and seniors? I seem to recall being super-frustrated when Sass and Davis were freshmen because of the mental mistakes they made, too. These guys have a lot of potential, from the two games I saw. How much remains to be seen as they get older, and hopefully wiser.

Not trying to be an [deleted], but again, what did you see that showed you a lot of potential? As for Jeryl, he did play out of control, but he was good enough as a FR to win WAC freshman of the year. As a freshman, Willie D played about at the same level as Papa this year.

[MustangLaxer]

what a terrible list...if anyone is on the 'hot seat' its sampson...

[Pony_Fan]

Sass did some nice things even as a freshman. He was out of control his entire career but was talented.

I just don't see these guys (aside from Dia) being in the round of 64 type players. We have to have some high impact kids come in soon.

[DickerJames]

Those Sass, Willie D and Q teams would wipe the floor with these guys. Sass was WAC Freshman of the Year in a much tougher conference than the current C-USA....and as I remember, that 97-98 team was very young too - Sas and Willie D both started as FR.

The failure of that team to make it to the dance was the begining of the end for Dement and we still haven't recovered. That was a very good team that gave us some good times at Moody, but Dement wasn't able to control them and the rest is history.

[RunningStang]

We just need to be patient. Let's not kid ourselves. Dement's best team lost in the first round of the NIT. You know the tournament that determines the 66th best team in the nation. We will probably never know why Tubbs was really let go. Do I think it was fair, absolutely not. It is what it is.

[MustangIcon]

Identical? no. Similar? Yeah, fairly similar. Early recruits: Cam Spencer vs. Ike Ofegbu. Adv. Tubbs. Bamba Fall, Brian Morris, Dez Willingham vs. the current Freshman 7. I don't know jury is still out but its anything but clearcut so far. Most of you guys have and continually scapegoat Tubbs because its easy and convenient for you. Its the SMU way. I just like to keep it real, thats about all.

When comparing Spencer and Ike wouldn't it be "apples to apples" to compare them in their first two seasons at SMU? Both for all intents and purposes would have to be considerd non-factors. Remember, before Doherty got here Ike was a complete and utter spare that averaged 2pts and 2 rebounds per game over the course of his first 2 seasons at SMU.

You forgot to mention eligibility issues with B-Hop, Morriss (why he apparently left school), and Bamba (faced potential ineligibility as Doherty was coming in).

You also overlooked the fact that Tubbs inherited a team with 4 returning starters. 3 of which were Seniors and 1 was a Junior that happened to be one of the top scorers in conference. That team beat Texas Tech and Purdue while being competitive against Wake Forest.

We won't even compare Tubbs and Doherty in charisma and furthering SMU Basketball off the court.

The only thing that is remotely comparable between Doherty and Tubbs is the on floor results. Our results currently suck. The results likewise sucked with Tubbs and he had a much better chance to win with the roster he had than Doherty.

Thats 'keeping it real', Hoop.

[jtstang]

The results likewise sucked with Tubbs and he had a much better chance to win with the roster he had than Doherty.

That's not only asinine, if true it would actually a case for pulling the plug on Doherty, since Tubbs' team was inherited and the people playing now are Doherty's recruits, except for Fall.

[Hoop Fan]

Identical? no. Similar? Yeah, fairly similar. Early recruits: Cam Spencer vs. Ike Ofegbu. Adv. Tubbs. Bamba Fall, Brian Morris, Dez Willingham vs. the current Freshman 7. I don't know jury is still out but its anything but clearcut so far. Most of you guys have and continually scapegoat Tubbs because its easy and convenient for you. Its the SMU way. I just like to keep it real, thats about all.

When comparing Spencer and Ike wouldn't it be "apples to apples" to compare them in their first two seasons at SMU? Both for all intents and purposes would have to be considerd non-factors. Remember, before Doherty got here Ike was a complete and utter spare that averaged 2pts and 2 rebounds per game over the course of his first 2 seasons at SMU.

You forgot to mention eligibility issues with B-Hop, Morriss (why he apparently left school), and Bamba (faced potential ineligibility as Doherty was coming in).

You also overlooked the fact that Tubbs inherited a team with 4 returning starters. 3 of which were Seniors and 1 was a Junior that happened to be one of the top scorers in conference. That team beat Texas Tech and Purdue while being competitive against Wake Forest.

We won't even compare Tubbs and Doherty in charisma and furthering SMU Basketball off the court.

The only thing that is remotely comparable between Doherty and Tubbs is the on floor results. Our results currently suck. The results likewise sucked with Tubbs and he had a much better chance to win with the roster he had than Doherty.

Thats 'keeping it real', Hoop.

I can see why you are so adament about your argument, we're only down 46-22 at halftime to Southern Mississippi at the moment. Hell, lets lose by 100, you have no expectations of anything unless it had to do with tubbs. i will respond to your specific points when i am not distracted by this doozy of a performance in Hattisburg.

[SMU 86]

Hopefully, next year will be better.

[Hoop Fan]

Identical? no. Similar? Yeah, fairly similar. Early recruits: Cam Spencer vs. Ike Ofegbu. Adv. Tubbs. Bamba Fall, Brian Morris, Dez Willingham vs. the current Freshman 7. I don't know jury is still out but its anything but clearcut so far. Most of you guys have and continually scapegoat Tubbs because its easy and convenient for you. Its the SMU way. I just like to keep it real, thats about all.

When comparing Spencer and Ike wouldn't it be "apples to apples" to compare them in their first two seasons at SMU? Both for all intents and purposes would have to be considerd non-factors. Remember, before Doherty got here Ike was a complete and utter spare that averaged 2pts and 2 rebounds per game over the course of his first 2 seasons at SMU.
Ok, if you want to credit Doh for Ike stepping it up senior year, do you also blame Doh for Roberts lack of development and not living up to potential? Can't have these things both ways. Gotta say that Ike stepped up as an individual it seems to me. We'll see what spencer turns out to be, but Doh shouldn't get the blame or the selective credit. Its more of recruiting question.
You forgot to mention eligibility issues with B-Hop, Morriss (why he apparently left school), and Bamba (faced potential ineligibility as Doherty was coming in).
I don't know, what was SMU's academic support staff doing? Can only blame so much on the coach, but if it makes you feel better. Morris left. duh, that is hindsight. But as a freshman, he showed more promise than every freshmen on this squad except Papa. do you blame Doh for Nyakundi's situation this year? And we'll see if all of Dohs recruits stay the course here.

You also overlooked the fact that Tubbs inherited a team with 4 returning starters. 3 of which were Seniors and 1 was a Junior that happened to be one of the top scorers in conference. That team beat Texas Tech and Purdue while being competitive against Wake Forest.
So you thought Tubbs first team had post season talent? They were a .500 squad no matter who was coaching. Had no rebounding or defensive stoppers in the paint. that team got killed in the post at crunch time over and over again. Wasn't that also the team that lost at home to Appalacian St. a couple days before the Purdue game? Not to mention Purdue proved they were not really a good team that season, they went on to have a terrible season and should have never been ranked. nice win anyway, but not indicative of being a good team.

We won't even compare Tubbs and Doherty in charisma and furthering SMU Basketball off the court.
Ok great, if that was the main job criteria to schmooze with alums, why did Dr. Turner allow Tubbs to be hired in the first place? Tubbs was a known quanity after 10 years as an assistant here, so that arguement for his firing sucks.
The only thing that is remotely comparable between Doherty and Tubbs is the on floor results. Our results currently suck. The results likewise sucked with Tubbs and he had a much better chance to win with the roster he had than Doherty.
Uh, these results suck much worse. Even if you are grading with the all forgiving freshman curve, you have to give this season a D.
Thats 'keeping it real', Hoop.