Is USC the new UT?

[jtstang]

Notwithstanding the fact that Inane has pointed out the two exceptions (out of what, 117 D-1 schools), where they are not mutually exclusive, I'd like to know who here would not accept a lower football graduation rate (and for fun, let's say one at the NCAA average) in exchange for a consistently winning football program. I would. After twenty years of ineptitude, it's a no-brainer it seems to me.

[Stallion]

After the DP, SMU immediately stopped publicizing academic qualifications of its incoming student body (SAT and/or GPA) and the reason was that they dropped off the cliff and SMU was worried that it would affect the reputation of the school. I spent many hours trying to research the effect of the DP and the Pye Penalty on SMU's academic performance for incoming freshman and it immediately became a well guarded secret although information from prior years was readily availiable. Those trends have long since reversed however-oh about the time Ken Pye left.

[2112]

I'd like to know who here would not accept a lower football graduation rate (and for fun, let's say one at the NCAA average) in exchange for a consistently winning football program. I would.

picture my hand high in the air! me too! but not to the bottom of the toilet morals of the longhorns....these bookem horns, make the sooners from the mid 80's look like choir boys......

[smu diamond m]

Do these graduation rates include non-graduates that go to the draft? If you have a large amount of players drafting, then this would tank your graduation rate, and not neccessarily discredit your academic abilities

They have to maintain eligibility somehow

[mrydel]

Do these graduation rates include non-graduates that go to the draft? If you have a large amount of players drafting, then this would tank your graduation rate, and not neccessarily discredit your academic abilities

They have to maintain eligibility somehow

Not counted if I recall correctly.

[smu diamond m]

Do these graduation rates include non-graduates that go to the draft? If you have a large amount of players drafting, then this would tank your graduation rate, and not neccessarily discredit your academic abilities

They have to maintain eligibility somehow

Not counted if I recall correctly.

Nevermind then.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

If that's the case, someone should tell the Dallas high schools
(except Skyline) that they need to be good at football and tell
Highland Park, Austin Westlake, The Woodlands, Euless Trinity,
etc. that they should suck

And by golly don't forget SOUTHLAKE, gosh they
must have tons of thugs since they have won so much!

[orguy]

Mexmustang:

PYE was an unmitigated disaster for SMU. There is a reason they stopped publishing incoming SAT statistics. Inside information is all I'm going to say. They fell precipitously under the Pig.

It was amusing to many at SMU that PYE would always compare SMU to RICE. Yes thats correct, RICE!!! The guy lived in a fantasy land and was not well liked by much of anyone except the Ray Hunts of the world who brought him in after the DP!! Ironically, when PYE first got to SMU he wanted to obliterate the Engineering school! How brilliant, eliminate the programs that attract the highest SAT score students!! of course the alumni and local companies banded together to prevent that from happening (not to mention the Math and Science departments who depended upon Engineering for students and joint research efforts)

I pledged never to give a dime to SMU as long was Pig PYE was president. The difference between him and Sheilds/Turner is dramatic. The later being liked by students and alumni etc.

A winning Football program has always helped SMU and is part of the culture in Texas. Pye never understood this. He was an arrogant man who brought the university down. Football has helped schools like Miami rise in the national US news academic rankings. Turner reckognizes this. With a Winning football team, high school students become interested in attending. Applications rise and the classes become more competitive.

[smu diamond m]

Ironically, when PYE first got to SMU he wanted to obliterate the Engineering school!

Not sure I appreciate the irony, but he did successfully can the Civil department. Rest assured, there's plenty of us putting it back in style, ABET cred and all.

Turner reckognizes this.

[SMU Football Blog]

After the DP, SMU immediately stopped publicizing academic qualifications of its incoming student body (SAT and/or GPA) and the reason was that they dropped off the cliff and SMU was worried that it would affect the reputation of the school. I spent many hours trying to research the effect of the DP and the Pye Penalty on SMU's academic performance for incoming freshman and it immediately became a well guarded secret although information from prior years was readily availiable. Those trends have long since reversed however-oh about the time Ken Pye left.

Well, I will add this. Immediately post-DP, the acceptance rate at SMU skyrocketed and at one point hit 90%. It is back down now, but around 89-91 it was high 80's %.

[Samurai Stang]

Thugs tend to come from poor families. Poor kids tend to focus on sports instead of other pursuits at a higher rate than middle class or rich kids. Poor kids are also more likely to become thugs. Thus, the more talented athletes you have, the higher the percentage of thugs will be. Eventually, it becomes 100%, like UT.

If that's the case, someone should tell the Dallas high schools (except Skyline) that they need to be good at football and tell Highland Park, Austin Westlake, The Woodlands, Euless Trinity, etc. that they should suck.

If you come from a lower income family your dreams are traditionally not those of medical school but of athletics. Also, you have named but a few schools that are good and would be considered upper-class, only adding to the fact that such schools are rarities. This is further added into in that you use the Dallas high schools as an example of how lower income areas do not produce more athletes, yet seek to eliminate what you consider to be the best one from the discussion because it works against your argument.

Throughout time all sports have been dominated by those at the bottom of the economic ladder. There once was a time when Jews dominated basketball, but as their economic status has improved and opportunities have increased this has ceased to be the case today.

[smu diamond m]

After the DP, SMU immediately stopped publicizing academic qualifications of its incoming student body (SAT and/or GPA) and the reason was that they dropped off the cliff and SMU was worried that it would affect the reputation of the school. I spent many hours trying to research the effect of the DP and the Pye Penalty on SMU's academic performance for incoming freshman and it immediately became a well guarded secret although information from prior years was readily availiable. Those trends have long since reversed however-oh about the time Ken Pye left.

Well, I will add this. Immediately post-DP, the acceptance rate at SMU skyrocketed and at one point hit 90%. It is back down now, but around 89-91 it was high 80's %.

It was in the mid 60s when I applied

[SMU Football Blog]

I'd like to know who here would not accept a lower football graduation rate (and for fun, let's say one at the NCAA average) in exchange for a consistently winning football program. I would.

picture my hand high in the air! me too! but not to the bottom of the toilet morals of the longhorns....these bookem horns, make the sooners from the mid 80's look like choir boys......

How about this? We strive for a graduation rate among football players equal to that of the University as a whole. That still gives us a lot of room from where we are today.

[smu diamond m]

Which was in fall 2004

[couch 'em]

If you come from a lower income family your dreams are traditionally not those of medical school but of athletics. Also, you have named but a few schools that are good and would be considered upper-class, only adding to the fact that such schools are rarities. This is further added into in that you use the Dallas high schools as an example of how lower income areas do not produce more athletes, yet seek to eliminate what you consider to be the best one from the discussion because it works against your argument.

Throughout time all sports have been dominated by those at the bottom of the economic ladder. There once was a time when Jews dominated basketball, but as their economic status has improved and opportunities have increased this has ceased to be the case today.

So, do the poor, indigenous Ainu dominate sports in Japan?