coach hiring theory

by **originaloverthehilltop1** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:58 am

it seems to me that our last coach (pb) was a hire from a bcs school who brought bcs standard offensive and defensive schemes and was unsuccessful recruiting against the bcs schools to fill bcs schemes.

jj seems to have developed, in particular, an offensive scheme (system) geared to the nonbcs recruit that can (in uh case) be succesful against mid major cusa and wac defenses.

assuming we have more success, will we conclude that its a matter of hiring the right coaching "philosophy" rather than attempting to borrow the bcs template? will it be correct to say that the jj "genius" is the right system in the appropriate situation?

by **SMU Football Blog** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:52 am

No. It is a combination of talent/ability/experience and opportunity and luck.

Bennett, quite frankly, lacked all three. Recruiting aqside, I think he had real defficiencies as a head coach both on gameday coach and during the week and during the off-season. I don't think the SMU opportunity as it was in 2002 was that that great when it comes to model/death penalty issues (we will see if it is better now). Finally, the fact is Bennett had a lot of bad luck in his first couple of years.

by **Insane_Pony_Posse** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:07 pm

there is probably some truth to your theory

June Bug's style will allow SMU to leap-frog (no pun intended froggies!)
a whole lot of other schools

trying to compete with the Michigan/Texas/Ohio State types
was not working.....especially since we could hardly even
manage a winning record....plus the fact is most schools
can't really compete with the elite teams....so SMU is
not alone....but we are just gonna attack the system
in an unconventional way now

get a guy that can bring some exciting football,
an air show, some winning seasons, bowl games (whats that?)
and maybe fill the stands on saturdays in the fall.

then at a later juncture if you want to try and take
the next step....people at least know who you are and
associate the school with a successful football program.

If June can get SMU winning again I think SMU
will get the press it has been starving for. And we
will just keep getting better. It will be exciting
watching the program's re-birth!

by **Stallion** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:09 pm

This is simply an unsupported conclusion based on a sea of nothingness- a silly argument-doesn't even deserve a reply.

by **smu diamond m** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:26 pm

Stallion wrote:This is simply an unsupported conclusion based on a sea of nothingness- a silly argument-doesn't even deserve a reply.

But you did anyways?

by **Garret** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:43 pm

I object to the implication that the system is just geared to beat non-BCS teams, as that implies that Hawaii wasn't able to beat many BCS teams with the system and recruits that went to Hawaii. Going about 0.500 against BCS conference teams gets a BCS-conference team into a good bowl game. ESPN's records only go back to 2002, so I'll just look that far back...I know that there were big wins at UH under JJ before 2002, but I can't look up every game easily before 2002.

Hawaii vs. BCS Conference Schools:

2007: 1-1 (Washington-win, Georgia-loss)
2006: 2-2 (Alabama-loss, Purdue-win, Oregon State-loss, Arizona State-win)
2005: 0-3 (USC-loss, Michigan State-loss, Wisconsin-loss)
2004: 2-0 (Northwestern-win, Michigan State-win)
2003: 1-1 (USC-loss, Alabama-win)
2002: 1-1 (Cincinnati-win, Alabama-loss)

A 7-8 record against BCS-conference teams is quite good for any non-BCS conference school. Wins were over some pretty decent teams:
Washington
Purdue
Arizona State
Northwestern
Michigan State
Alabama
Cincinnati

2005 was a rebuilding year, with new starters at so many key positions, but that class had first-year starters such as Colt Brennan, Davone Bess, Ryan Grice-Mullins, etc. who led the team to the Sugar Bowl this year and will be drafted by the NFL this year.

I'll bet there are few or zero non-BCS Conference teams with winning records over BCS-conference schools over that period of time. Heck, I'll bet I could find 10 or 15 BCS-conference schools with worse records against BCS-conference teams over that period.

by **Stallion** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:15 pm

TCU has a winning record over BCS schools over the last 10 years or so

by **Garret** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:21 pm

Good point about TCU, I especially remember their Big 12 winning streak until this year. However, I doubt that many other non-BCS conference schools have a winning record.

By the way, I guess that Cincinnati was in C-USA at the time of UH's win, so I shouldn't have counted them in my analysis.

by **Stallion** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:22 pm

This is from Sports Illustrated last season after beating Baylor but before losing to UT.

Frogs fans undoubtedly appreciate Brown's recognition of their accomplishments -- which, in seven years under coach Gary Patterson, includes the aforementioned five straight wins over Big 12 foes (including a 2005 season-opening win over Oklahoma when the Sooners were coming off consecutive BCS title-game appearances) and a 9-1 record against BCS opponents since 2002.

by **J.T.supporta** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:29 pm

Garret wrote:I object to the implication that the system is just geared to beat non-BCS teams, as that implies that Hawaii wasn't able to beat many BCS teams with the system and recruits that went to Hawaii. Going about 0.500 against BCS conference teams gets a BCS-conference team into a good bowl game. ESPN's records only go back to 2002, so I'll just look that far back...I know that there were big wins at UH under JJ before 2002, but I can't look up every game easily before 2002.

Hawaii vs. BCS Conference Schools:

2007: 1-1 (Washington-win, Georgia-loss)
2006: 2-2 (Alabama-loss, Purdue-win, Oregon State-loss, Arizona State-win)
2005: 0-3 (USC-loss, Michigan State-loss, Wisconsin-loss)
2004: 2-0 (Northwestern-win, Michigan State-win)
2003: 1-1 (USC-loss, Alabama-win)
2002: 1-1 (Cincinnati-win, Alabama-loss)

A 7-8 record against BCS-conference teams is quite good for any non-BCS conference school. Wins were over some pretty decent teams:
Washington
Purdue
Arizona State
Northwestern
Michigan State
Alabama
Cincinnati

2005 was a rebuilding year, with new starters at so many key positions, but that class had first-year starters such as Colt Brennan, Davone Bess, Ryan Grice-Mullins, etc. who led the team to the Sugar Bowl this year and will be drafted by the NFL this year.

I'll bet there are few or zero non-BCS Conference teams with winning records over BCS-conference schools over that period of time. Heck, I'll bet I could find 10 or 15 BCS-conference schools with worse records against BCS-conference teams over that period.

UC wasnt a BCS school in 2002. sorry to nitpick but I am. so that woul dmake them 6-8 in BCS games under in the last 5 years

by **Garret** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:26 pm

J.T.supporta wrote:UC wasnt a BCS school in 2002. sorry to nitpick but I am. so that woul dmake them 6-8 in BCS games under in the last 5 years

No problem, I already admitted that mistake and agree that they would be 6-8 vs. BCS-conference teams. That includes many close losses (like at Alabama and the Oregon State loss) and losses to USC (twice) and Georgia that are high-level BCS teams.

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