Nice Espn Article

[Dr Death]

"Run and Shoot" will NOT work in CUSA!

Just watch the Georgia tape: it's easy to defend once you study it for an offseason.

Oh I beg to differ... the reason Georgia dominated was because their line, offensive and defensive, were superior athletes to Hawaii. You say it is easy to defend after studying it for one off-season... hmmm... explain the success the offense has sustained, in college and the pros, the past 33 years then.

It's a shame that video of June going through a basic play isn't longer. I have two 6 hour tapes of Mouse Davis covering all aspects of the offense. Trust me, preparing for the R&S isn't easy... because if you do this, the offense will do that, if you do that, the offense will do this. The offense is designed to do the opposite of what the defense does and when it's running smoothly, whatever the defense does is always wrong.

Can the R&S be beat? Sure it can. Just as every offense in the history of football has been beaten. It comes down to execution and talent. But I will guarantee you this; June will be at SMU a number of years... and in that time, there won't be one defense that will figure out this offense. They may play teams with superior talent, but that doesn't mean the plays won't be there.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Thanks Dr Death, but you have to realize, that you're trying to explain this to a............frikin' frog for goodness sake!


Fear the mob boss!

[redpony]

Yes, please remember when speaking to little froggies you must keep words to one syllable if at all possible, otherwise they have to guess at the meaning.

GO PONIES!!!

[FWMustangGirl]

Yes, please remember when speaking to little froggies you must keep words to one syllable if at all possible, otherwise they have to guess at the meaning.

GO PONIES!!!

And they usually guess wrong.

[Stallion]

great explanation of why coaches compare the Run N Shoot to the Wishbone. Difference being that instead of reading the DE you are reading the SS or flat defender.

[jkflamebo]

i love stallion, he does indeed knowwwww

[Heisman7Life]

"Run and Shoot" will NOT work in CUSA!

Just watch the Georgia tape: it's easy to defend once you study it for an offseason.

Oh I beg to differ... the reason Georgia dominated was because their line, offensive and defensive, were superior athletes to Hawaii. You say it is easy to defend after studying it for one off-season... hmmm... explain the success the offense has sustained, in college and the pros, the past 33 years then.

It's a shame that video of June going through a basic play isn't longer. I have two 6 hour tapes of Mouse Davis covering all aspects of the offense. Trust me, preparing for the R&S isn't easy... because if you do this, the offense will do that, if you do that, the offense will do this. The offense is designed to do the opposite of what the defense does and when it's running smoothly, whatever the defense does is always wrong.

Can the R&S be beat? Sure it can. Just as every offense in the history of football has been beaten. It comes down to execution and talent. But I will guarantee you this; June will be at SMU a number of years... and in that time, there won't be one defense that will figure out this offense. They may play teams with superior talent, but that doesn't mean the plays won't be there.

Georgia beat Hawaii thinks to there scheme. What dominating talent was on Georgia's D-Line? Marcus Howard who was the MVP...goes 5'11 and 228. I believe he runs a 4.6 also....not quite dominating talent there. I'm sure TCU can replicate that. Asher Allen is an all star DB? The offense can work and it will at SMU......this coach will get you guys in the 10 win column in probably 3 years. This will absolutely get you into position to hire a great college coach to bring you guys to the BCS debacle in 5 years or so.....just understand that these offense are being lambasted by the pro coaches because of how they can be broken down with pressure or zone coverage. With the OIlers there run and shoot worked because of Lorenzo White...you need to run the ball for this offense to work. Without that it allows a defense to tee off on your QB. Sure you might beat them for a 15 yarder or so some times but in the overall scheme of things the pounding you're QB will take over the course of a ballgame will bring the completion ratio down. Go back and look at the Georgia tape. They aligned their DE's outside the OT's 2-3 yards and angled them at Colt Brennan. They then had their DT's run multiple stunts along with bringing a LB sometimes. The two remaining LB's or one in the nickel defense...would drop back to cover a 5-12 yard zone across the middle. Count how many passes were completed across the middle. Beating a sound defense is harder than just reading the flat defender/Strong safety. I also have the Mouse Davis DVD's, breakdowns of Hawaii from the last 5 years. All the teams that beat them have run some variant of the jet package on defense. I would love to discuss the details of this offense with you guys. By the way June is a great college coach. I don't mean to bring this up to demean the man just to point out the flaws of the system.....

[ALEX LIFESON]

Show me the perfect system, and everyone will race to use it. Georgia had far surperior talent...case closed.

[Heisman7Life]

It's not about perfect system. But don't overrate Georgia's talent. If you were talking about the Hurricanes of the late 90's and early 2000's then sure they have more talent than you can shake a stick at. Put this is the same Georgia team that got how many players picked in the NFL draft? A place where they strictly go off physical talent. Ask DeMarcus Ware...if SMU had lost to Troy State 4 years ago would you be touting the 'better talent' case? Does Georgia have more talent? Yes. But I'm sure some of the teams that Hawaii has beaten in the past have better talent than them. Or how about Boise State beating the Sooners......do you think that Boise had better talent? No. They simply outcoached the Sooners that DAY.

[Heisman7Life]

Recruiting is the accumulation of talent. Coaching is about taking the talent that you have and doing the best with it. Look smaller schools constantly find NFL level talent. But for some reason they never break thru. I think Boise State should have awakened everyone to this fact in COLLEGE FOOTBALL...the talent levels aren't as distant as one thinks.......

[deepellumfrog]

The success TCU has enjoyed the last several years will be nothing compared to what is about to happen at SMU. I've been saying this since I got to SMU in 2002 that SMU is the biggest sleeping giant program in America and once we finally get things headed in the right direction, the sky is the limit. SMU is a better school than TCU. SMU has better facilities than TCU. SMU is in a better city than TCU. SMU has a better coach than TCU. The frogs had their run, now its our turn.

Baby steps my friend. Don't you think your hyperbole is a bit over the top? I mean, you can double your win total from last year with 2 wins. Maybe shoot for something crazy like a winning season.

So since the turn of the century, TCU has 5 double digit winning seasons. And you say you have something better planned? Unless your plan is to drop to Div III, I can't see how you are going to top that. We had a down year last year at 8-5, what would you give for that record next year?

Don't forget, you have to recruit, and you have to get butts in seats. I wish you the best and go to an occasional game over at Jerry Ford, but you really need to get a few fans in there to get some of the kids you are going to need to be competitive. That is a lot of Pony-upping. Good luck!

[Garret]

Georgia beat Hawaii thinks to there scheme. What dominating talent was on Georgia's D-Line? Marcus Howard who was the MVP...goes 5'11 and 228. I believe he runs a 4.6 also....

If that is what you "believe", then I can understand why you believe that TCU's defense is comparable to Georgia's defense...but it kills your credibility. Marcus Howard ran a 4.45 at the NFL combine, the *fastest* time of ANY defensive lineman! And he wasn't just a little bit faster than the best defensive linemen in the country...he BLEW THEM AWAY! Check out the best times at the NFL combine for all defensive ends.

Howard, Marcus 4.45
Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Scouti ... ard_da.htm

You also put down Georgia's defensive line when they were far superior to TCU's or ANY C-USA line last season. Georgia led the SEC in sacks...could you honestly state that any C-USA team could do that against SEC-level competition?

Let us look at how Georgia's DL did in the 5 games before they played Hawaii:

Florida: They sacked Tebow SIX times and recovered a fumble by Tebow with 2:33 left in the game to seal the win. You know, I heard that Tebow guy did pretty well last year...I'm not sure if you heard about that since you had no idea of Howard's actual 40 time.

Troy: Three sacks and 2 INTs. They had Florida before Troy and Auburn after Troy so they might have overlooked this game a little.

Auburn: Three sacks and 4 INTs. Auburn had won 12 of the past 15 games at Sanford Stadium, so this was a big win for Georgia.

Kentucky: Five sacks and an INT. Georgia's offense turned the ball over four times but Georgia's defense held Kentucky to a season low for scoring.

Georgia Tech: Five sacks and 2 INTs. Georgia Tech's starting QB completed 9 of 27 passes.

[ALEX LIFESON]

Your up, Heisman7life

[Garret]

Your up, Heisman7life

Alex,

I studied Georgia's team extensively both before and after the BCS announcement that Hawaii was going to play them. I had been hoping that Hawaii would play ANY other team aside from Georgia or LSU...I thought Hawaii matched up better with the Big 12 teams or USC than those teams and thought that Hawaii would really match up well with the other BCS bowl teams. I really respect Georgia's D and thought that their pass rush was going to cause trouble for Hawaii--remember, Hawaii's starting C, LT, and RT from the previous season were on NFL rosters all last season.

I got to talk to a number of Georgia fans in New Orleans before and after the Sugar Bowl and have nothing but respect for their fans. I would have stayed out of a standard post where a TCU fan bashed JJ or SMU...but to go so far overboard in criticizing Georgia ticked me off a little.

[ALEX LIFESON]

I'm with ya Garret. From what I remember from that game, was Georgia had great athletes that matched up well with Hawaii's receivers. The defensive ends for UG, had too much speed and athleticism for UH offensive tackles to handle. So put those two things together, and Colt didn't have time to find a "hot route" receiver. Plus you add in that Georgia was used to the big stage, and UH was not.