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Postby Dubbya » Wed May 14, 2008 2:46 pm

Stallion wrote:are you drunk? I'll stand 100% behind my original comment w/o changing a word.
What a shocker.

I once swore to anyone who would listen that I was going to play in the NFL, but I have yet to receive even an invitation to the Combine.

Sticking by an original claim does not validate the merit of said statement, counselor. Volume, repetition and declarations of certainty do not, in and of themselves, make a statement more factual.
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Postby Stallion » Wed May 14, 2008 3:38 pm

Look I'm busy-but I bet I know a helluva lot more about monopolistic anti-competitive behavior than each of you. Why don't you go research the concept of monopolistic tie-ing theory. A monopolist power in one segment or market can be used to tie anticompetitive behavior in another. Example ABC/ESPN wants to cover for example Big 10 Football-then the Big 10 requires ABC/ESPN to cover a broad range Big 10 products in both men and women's sports. I could give a [deleted] about ASU-go play with yourself. The BCS conferences have used their monopolistic position and control of college football in particular to leverage their positions in all sports.-both men and women. Simply the monopolistic revenues flowing from BCS television and bowl games gives the BCS multi-tens of millions of dollars that can be used in its entire athletic department. This is not brain surgery and the record over the last 20 years clearly establishes that the stranglehold the BCS has over NCAA Football has spread to increasing success and/or control of the BCS conferences in BB and all other sports. BCS revenues also allow BCS schools to improve facilities and pay higher salaries and hire better coaches and personnel throughout that athletic department. It doesn't take a genuis to figure this out.
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Postby HFvictory » Wed May 14, 2008 4:02 pm

Stallion wrote:Look I'm busy-but I bet I know a helluva lot more about monopolistic anti-competitive behavior than each of you. Why don't you go research the concept of monopolistic tie-ing theory. A monopolist power in one segment or market can be used to tie anticompetitive behavior in another. Example ABC/ESPN wants to cover for example Big 10 Football-then the Big 10 requires ABC/ESPN to cover a broad range Big 10 products in both men and women's sports. I could give a [deleted] about ASU-go play with yourself. The BCS conferences have used their monopolistic position and control of college football in particular to leverage their positions in all sports.-both men and women. Simply the monopolistic revenues flowing from BCS television and bowl games gives the BCS multi-tens of millions of dollars that can be used in its entire athletic department. This is not brain surgery and the record over the last 20 years clearly establishes that the stranglehold the BCS has over NCAA Football has spread to increasing success and/or control of the BCS conferences in BB and all other sports. BCS revenues also allow BCS schools to improve facilities and pay higher salaries and hire better coaches and personnel throughout that athletic department. It doesn't take a genuis to figure this out.


Avoiding the simple question that blows away your entire arguement. I think everyone will agree the effect the BCS has on football, but according to you ASU would have all this money to support its programs down the line simply from its membership in the football monopoly and yet look what has happened.

ASU is not the only school in trouble.
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Postby Dubbya » Wed May 14, 2008 4:27 pm

Stallion wrote:Look I'm busy-but I bet I know a helluva lot more about monopolistic anti-competitive behavior than each of you.

And I bet my dad can beat up your dad. Chest-puffing doesn't help a thing.

Wait ... you have 12,000 posts here and you're telling us - at length, I might point out - that you're too busy for some long-winded rant underscoring the validity of rivals as the most rock-solid source this side of the bible?

Stallion wrote:Why don't you go research the concept of monopolistic tie-ing theory.

Why don't you go research the SPELL CHECK tool on your computer? Or maybe what that handy little SHIFT key is for?

Stallion wrote:It doesn't take a genuis to figure this out.

Clearly! :D
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Postby max the wonder dog » Wed May 14, 2008 4:53 pm

Easy way to settle this. Run a regression analysis showing the impact (if any) of BCS membership on success in sports other than football. All we need is a stats major with nothing to do this summer.

FYI, by my count 11 of the 16 teams in the Men's Sweet Sixteen this year and 3 of the Final Four were from BCS conferences. 14 teams in the Women's Sweet 16 and all of the Final Four were from BCS conferences.

These small samples seems to show a strong correlation between BCS membership and success in other sports.
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Postby mrydel » Wed May 14, 2008 4:59 pm

Easier yet, look at the checks the BCS schools get for their bowl games and TV games. How they spend their money is their problem. If they can not fund all of their sports, it is not because the mid majors are taking all of their money.
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Postby Glenn Sosbee » Wed May 14, 2008 7:32 pm

Stallion claims that millions of bcs dollars are trickling down to various "bcs school" programs while HFvictory states that "bcs schools" are still having to drop (mens) programs because of budget concerns.
Here's what the fact is...
Not even all that supposed bcs money can save lower tier mens programs from being victims of the Title IX supreme court decision.
I guess the real winners here are the ladies who get to compete in front of empty venues, but still get 50% of the cash.
SMU's WORLD CLASS track team was disbanded mere days after this ruling and it looks like the damage is still being done.
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