DMN top 100

[Corso]

Why is that too much to expect? We are paying him 2 Million. Maybe we need to work a little harder or get some Coaches who know Texas.

Good god - Coach Odum worked at UH and has recruited Texas for years. Coach Jones got Texas players to come to Hawaii - presumably not by showing them pictures of palm trees.

Good idea, going with coaches who "know Texas" - that way, we won't have to waste our time with guys who clearly can't play (because you've seen them play) like Evan Huahulu, Jordan Free, E.J. Drewery, B.J. Lee, Zach Line, Kevin Grenier, Bryce Lunday, Deyon McElroy, Bennie Thomas (WAIT! We need more JUCOs! You've said it for years! But they're out-of-staters .... now what????), Keith Robinson, etc.

It's been said many times before - it doesn't matter where players come from, as long as they're academically qualified and they can play.

[Top 25]

Interestingly enough, Stallion, June Jones told a packed Salesmanship Club audience last Thursday that he is amazed and thrilled at how well recruiting is going.

I believe I'll taking his cues on this, not yours.

And speaking of recruting lists, I heard the head of Rivals on satellite radio last week. He made the point that what's important is not how many four and five star players you get, but rather how well you recruit to your particular system. To underscore his point, he emphasized the purported recruiting discrepancy between Florida State and Wake Forest versus the on-field- performance of the two programs.

Bottom line, stop losing your cookies over DMN lists.

Of course, that is your only schtick.

[One Trick Pony]

Tip, if you have more than one college team you support. It’s twice as hard to be disappointed all the time!

[kent dorfman]

Knowing Texas is obviously a great thing for any college football coach but as long as we can find good kids I don't care where they're from. JJ got commits from kids from VA, NJ, CA, MI. Where did Bennett recruit mainly? East Texas, which is a good place to find talent but I like seeing kids from around the USA come here.

[kent dorfman]

Why is that too much to expect? We are paying him 2 Million. Maybe we need to work a little harder or get some Coaches who know Texas.

Good god - Coach Odum worked at UH and has recruited Texas for years. Coach Jones got Texas players to come to Hawaii - presumably not by showing them pictures of palm trees.

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Oh yeah and don't forget that, as per rivals.com, 30 of JJ's 42 commits are from Texas. I think his staff is recruiting here just fine.

[Argyle Pony]

I am not worried...I think Coach J knows talent. Some will develope and some won't ...just all coaches. Let's not worry ourselves with such doubt. Recruiting takes time to get it right. The two mil goes for more than just his salary...he will get part of it. Let's see how it all turns out then be critical...I'm ready for the kickoff although the weather is not...Go Mustangs!!!

[SoCal_Pony]

This is already one of the best recruiting classes (not quite up to '03, but it's early) post-DP, and we're not even out of the summer yet.

Stallion, do you agree with that statement?

[Stallion]

I think its a competitive CUSA West Class-meaning in the bottom 1/4th of Division 1A programs-not much better than that-probably below UH-about the same as Rice and all the other mediocre programs in CUSA West. It is not a step-up class like so many of you boldly predicted in February. A couple of 3 stars sprinkled in, no Top 100 Players really giving SMU much consideration-what's so different. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely trounced by TCU in recruiting for at least the 19th out 20 years. Simply not competitive with TCU despite have a higher paid Coach, better football stadium, better home city, more accomplished school. SMU still needs to drastically improve its recruiting. This is what a great non-BCS Commitment List looks like when you are not using the SMU-slide rule curve:

TCU Commit List with Offers 2009

1. AJ Dugat WR – Nebraska, Oklahoma St., Mississippi St., Baylor, Houston, UNLV
2. Ty Horn OL – Kansas, Houston
3. John Woolridge OL – (A TCU legacy who was getting looks from schools as far away as UCLA and Northwestern, a top 10 OL in Texas per Texas Football Mag)
4. James Dunbar DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma St., Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas A&M Baylor, Tulsa, Houston,
5. Bryant House DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona, Tulsa, Houston
6. Ray Burns DT - Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Tulsa
7. Casey Pachall QB – Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Baylor, Iowa St. Houston
8. Jurell Thompson RB/DB – Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, Arizona St., SMU, Utah, Tulsa
9. Waymon James RB – Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Utah, Tulsa
10. Josh Boyce WR – SMU
11. Trenton Thomas S – Mississippi St., Baylor, Rice, UNT, Utah, Houston, UNLV
12. Tanner Brock LB – Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Arizona St,, Kansas, Missouri, Purdue, Northwestern Baylor, Tulsa, SMU, UNT
13. Eric Tauch OL – Southern Miss, La Tech
14. DJ Yendrey DE –

[03Mustang]

I think its a competitive CUSA West Class-meaning in the bottom 1/4th of Division 1A programs-not much better than that-probably below UH-about the same as Rice and all the other mediocre programs in CUSA West. It is not a step-up class like so many of you boldly predicted in February. A couple of 3 stars sprinkled in, no Top 100 Players really giving SMU much consideration-what's so different. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely trounced by TCU in recruiting for at least the 19th out 20 years. Simply not competitive with TCU despite have a higher paid Coach, better football stadium, better home city, more accomplished school. SMU still needs to drastically improve its recruiting. This is what a great non-BCS Commitment List looks like when you are not using the SMU-slide rule curve:

TCU Commit List with Offers 2009

1. AJ Dugat WR – Nebraska, Oklahoma St., Mississippi St., Baylor, Houston, UNLV
2. Ty Horn OL – Kansas, Houston
3. John Woolridge OL – (A TCU legacy who was getting looks from schools as far away as UCLA and Northwestern, a top 10 OL in Texas per Texas Football Mag)
4. James Dunbar DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma St., Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas A&M Baylor, Tulsa, Houston,
5. Bryant House DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona, Tulsa, Houston
6. Ray Burns DT - Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Tulsa
7. Casey Pachall QB – Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Baylor, Iowa St. Houston
8. Jurell Thompson RB/DB – Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, Arizona St., SMU, Utah, Tulsa
9. Waymon James RB – Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Utah, Tulsa
10. Josh Boyce WR – SMU
11. Trenton Thomas S – Mississippi St., Baylor, Rice, UNT, Utah, Houston, UNLV
12. Tanner Brock LB – Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Arizona St,, Kansas, Missouri, Purdue, Northwestern Baylor, Tulsa, SMU, UNT
13. Eric Tauch OL – Southern Miss, La Tech
14. DJ Yendrey DE –

I thought we all made it clear we didn't want any of them anyway

Isn't is possible that our class could jump a few notches based on how Rivals re-rates the players during their senior years? How often does a meaningful change happen during/after the season?

[Stallion]

Happens all the time but right now the offers aren't there. I won't list them because its really quite embarrassing in comparison to TCU List.

[SMU Hockey 2010]

I don't think this is about TCU, a program that didn't have to restart from scratch 20 years ago. A school that out-enrolls us by a factor of 6. A school that is also in a different conference that, thusly, draws different players. And a school that hasn't been pretty consistently hamstrung by faculty and administrative toe-dragging over the last twenty years, and a school with admission requirements lower than Six Flags.

This is about SMU, and us getting back on top. Note, I saw BACK, because unlike TCU, we were there once, and I believe we'll be back.

And just as a side note, how does getting Bo-Levi Mitchell, starting QB of the 16-0 Katy Tigers, 5-A state champs, to commit to play in HAWAII, imply that Coach Jones is in ANY way incapable of recruiting in Texas? If he could pick some of our best fruit from 2000 miles away, do you really think he'll have trouble with recruiting here?

Don't answer that. I know what your response will be. And I think you can anticipate my rebuttal, too.

Go Ponies.

[Stallion]

Oh so you admit this is about the SMU slide rule grading curve of recruiting classes. I admitedly don't do that. But the rest of you go ahead and grade on the curve-I admit I'm grading on the stated goal of becoming a Top 25 Team

[Cadillac]

Oh so you admit this is about the SMU slide rule grading curve of recruiting classes. I admitedly don't do that. But the rest of you go ahead and grade on the curve-I admit I'm grading on the stated goal of becoming a Top 25 Team

I always thought that in order to get there, we'd probably have to start wining in our conference first. I have a hard time understanding how we're going to attract top tier talent when we haven't done anything in bottome tier competition. If we can start wining the recruiting battles within our conference, translate that into on the field success, then MAYBE we'll sniff the recruits that we'll need to get to and stay in the top25.

Granted, Hawaaii seems to have done it without a monster recruiting class, but I'm not going to bet on whatever voodoo went on over there.

-CoS

[SoCal_Pony]

I don't think this is about TCU, a program that didn't have to restart from scratch 20 years ago. A school that out-enrolls us by a factor of 6. A school that is also in a different conference that, thusly, draws different players. And a school that hasn't been pretty consistently hamstrung by faculty and administrative toe-dragging over the last twenty years, and a school with admission requirements lower than Six Flags.

I think those are extremely weak arguments.

1) SO and JJ have stated the recruiting obstacles have been removed.
2) Their enrollment is 7k ours is 6k.
3) How exactly is the Mnt West an advantage? I think TCU overcomes their conference affiliation and would do better in C-USA if it was competitive.
4) SMU would have accepted most if not all of TCU’s commitments.

I will be honest, I too am slightly disappointed in our recruiting class. PB probably signed more kids with quality offers his 1st real year than JJ has to date.

Not saying JJ is failing...fair from it....just expecting more.

[ponyboy]

This is a very annoying and ill timed thread. Jones has done his thing many places with less than world class talent. Suggesting that the sky is falling because we're not equal to TCU, who appears to be compiling a top 30 or better recruiting class, is ludicrous.