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[SMU Hockey 2010]

The 6-to-1 was a typo, but what I meant to say was inaccurate as well. I always thought they had a bigger student base. Weird.

Ladanian Tomlinson had a huge role in putting TCU where it currently is. He would not and in fact did not get into SMU, where he was also heavily recruited. Academic standards. Boom. Over the last umpteen years we've had higher academic standards and every one of our coaches have said so. Bennet harped on it every year. You can't honestly say that academic standards haven't been a factor in our sub-par recruiting over the years.

The recruiting obstacles have beem removed, true. But that's not like cutting off a weight tied to a balloon. It takes time to get used to doing things right. It takes time for high school prospects to start talking about your school amongst themselves again.

Mountain West works for and against TCU. I'd imagine it makes recruiting out of Texas easier, since schools from a larger geographic region watch TCU play (and, usually, beat) their local schools. Then TCU comes back to TX and beats up on a non-con school or two (ie, us) to show the Lone Star State recruits that they mean business at home, too. Much like Notre Dame plays games outside of the midwest to get a broader recruiting base, then plays teams from the Midwest as well.

[Corp]

[quote="SMU Hockey 2010"]

Ladanian Tomlinson..would not and in fact did not get into SMU...

Mountain West works for and against TCU...it makes recruiting out of

Texas easier, since schools from a larger geographic region watch TCU

play...


#1, LT, considered offers from TCU, Kansas State, Baylor, UTEP

and North Texas. SMU was never even given remote consideration.

#2, all of TCU's (14) current 2009 commits are from the great

sovereign state of Texas.

#3, Recommend wearing a helmit when playing hockey, whose

pucks can cause extensive brain damage.

[Alaric]

we offerered early to Peace and Trice who ultimately were offered and accepted scholarship to Michigan and Oklahoma respectively. there have been a few others too with similar results. while it sucks we didn't land them, we weren't even offering this caliber of athlete during the Bennett years so that's a step

[mathman]

[quote="Corp"

#3, Recommend wearing a helmit when playing hockey, whose

pucks can cause extensive brain damage. [/quote]

Went to TCU, did you? Why am I not surprised?

[Pony Fan]

I think its a competitive CUSA West Class-meaning in the bottom 1/4th of Division 1A programs-not much better than that-probably below UH-about the same as Rice and all the other mediocre programs in CUSA West. It is not a step-up class like so many of you boldly predicted in February. A couple of 3 stars sprinkled in, no Top 100 Players really giving SMU much consideration-what's so different. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely trounced by TCU in recruiting for at least the 19th out 20 years. Simply not competitive with TCU despite have a higher paid Coach, better football stadium, better home city, more accomplished school. SMU still needs to drastically improve its recruiting. This is what a great non-BCS Commitment List looks like when you are not using the SMU-slide rule curve:

TCU Commit List with Offers 2009

1. AJ Dugat WR – Nebraska, Oklahoma St., Mississippi St., Baylor, Houston, UNLV
2. Ty Horn OL – Kansas, Houston
3. John Woolridge OL – (A TCU legacy who was getting looks from schools as far away as UCLA and Northwestern, a top 10 OL in Texas per Texas Football Mag)
4. James Dunbar DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma St., Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas A&M Baylor, Tulsa, Houston,
5. Bryant House DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona, Tulsa, Houston
6. Ray Burns DT - Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Tulsa
7. Casey Pachall QB – Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Baylor, Iowa St. Houston
8. Jurell Thompson RB/DB – Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, Arizona St., SMU, Utah, Tulsa
9. Waymon James RB – Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Utah, Tulsa
10. Josh Boyce WR – SMU
11. Trenton Thomas S – Mississippi St., Baylor, Rice, UNT, Utah, Houston, UNLV
12. Tanner Brock LB – Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Arizona St,, Kansas, Missouri, Purdue, Northwestern Baylor, Tulsa, SMU, UNT
13. Eric Tauch OL – Southern Miss, La Tech
14. DJ Yendrey DE –

And all of the great players that TCU has trounced us on in the past beat us 17-7 last year, on a blocked punt for a touchdown and a interception for a touchdown. Not only did we have inferior players but an awful coach.

I know several big TCU backers and they are worried about what is happening on this side of the turnpike with SMU FINALLY making a commitment to try to win. Honestly, as much as I hate to say this, I HOPE TCU is good as it makes our game with them all that much better. With Patterson inquiring about every job that opens up around the country each year, you can see how committed he is hanging around over there.

Like Top 25 said, he is recruiting players to his system and they may not fit your perfect list, which nobody on this site really gives a rip what you think, and I can assure you, June Jones doesn't.

[ozfan]

Recruiting is about winning. JJ is recruiting on reputation at this point in time.
If SMU goes 7-5 and a bowl this year next year the recruit class will have more *** and maybe a **** or two. Have five winning seasons and you are an established program and all kinds of good things happen. With the throw and hope formation that JJ uses you can get by with talent that is one dimenisional for a position or two once you have really good talent to work with you can drive other teams crazy with the throw and hope. If JJ had a few real quality linemen on the D and O lines in the Sugar Bowl UG would not have hung 40 + on them and maybe Brtennan could have put a point or two on the board.

[SoCal_Pony]

Recruiting is about winning. JJ is recruiting on reputation at this point in time.

Same can be said for PB with his 1st real class which I suspect was more highly touted than this one by JJ.

Personally thought JJ's reputation would have secured more highly-sought players. That is not a slam on him by any means, just expecting more.

[ponyboy]

How many highly sought players has he ever received? And yet he's won.

[PonyKai]

#1, LT, considered offers from TCU, Kansas State, Baylor, UTEP

and North Texas. SMU was never even given remote consideration.

Because they sat there and told him son, there is no way you'll get in here, so best of luck.

[ozfan]

Yes he has won with marginal players that the position coaches have developed to a good level. What could he have done with good players that the coaches could have developed to a great level, would not the team be even better than good.

[ponyboy]

Absolutely, oz.

[SMUer]

TCU, a program that didn't have to restart from scratch 20 years ago

TCU May 1986 (Improper entertainment, financial aid and transportation; extra benefits; improper recruiting employment, entertainment, inducements, lodging and transportation)

TCU was banned from post-season play, forfeiture of TV revenue for 1983-1984 seasons, reduced to 10 scholarships for the 1987-1988 season and 15 scholarships for the 1988-1989 season.
Link

SMU Feb 1987 (EXTRA BENEFITS: 21 football student-athletes received approximately $61,000 in cash payments, with the assistance of athletics department staff members, from funds provided by an athletics representative. REPEAT VIOLATOR.)

SMU was banned from scrimmage and competition in 1987 (only conditioning) and limited to 7 away games or scrimmages in 1988; 0 scholarships for 1987-88 and 15 scholarships for 1988-89 season and no countable financial aid or official visits until the beginning of 1988-89 season; 45 official visits for 1988-89.
Link

Although SMU's prestige was higher and its penalty was more severe, both programs were in the muck late 80s.

[mathman]

I really, really hope you aren't saying the two programs started anywhere close to the same place 20 years ago.

[Mexmustang]

I remember the TCU head coach losing his job, then becoming an assistant at Baylor...probably in charge of recruiting. Everyone was trying to match A&M in those years. What an honest group!

[TheBestAvailable]

I think its a competitive CUSA West Class-meaning in the bottom 1/4th of Division 1A programs-not much better than that-probably below UH-about the same as Rice and all the other mediocre programs in CUSA West. It is not a step-up class like so many of you boldly predicted in February. A couple of 3 stars sprinkled in, no Top 100 Players really giving SMU much consideration-what's so different. Meanwhile we are getting absolutely trounced by TCU in recruiting for at least the 19th out 20 years. Simply not competitive with TCU despite have a higher paid Coach, better football stadium, better home city, more accomplished school. SMU still needs to drastically improve its recruiting. This is what a great non-BCS Commitment List looks like when you are not using the SMU-slide rule curve:

TCU Commit List with Offers 2009

1. AJ Dugat WR – Nebraska, Oklahoma St., Mississippi St., Baylor, Houston, UNLV
2. Ty Horn OL – Kansas, Houston
3. John Woolridge OL – (A TCU legacy who was getting looks from schools as far away as UCLA and Northwestern, a top 10 OL in Texas per Texas Football Mag)
4. James Dunbar DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma St., Oklahoma, Baylor, Texas A&M Baylor, Tulsa, Houston,
5. Bryant House DE –Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Baylor, Texas A&M, Arizona, Tulsa, Houston
6. Ray Burns DT - Arkansas, Baylor, Houston, Tulsa
7. Casey Pachall QB – Notre Dame, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Baylor, Iowa St. Houston
8. Jurell Thompson RB/DB – Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, Arizona St., SMU, Utah, Tulsa
9. Waymon James RB – Nebraska, Texas Tech, Georgia Tech, Utah, Tulsa
10. Josh Boyce WR – SMU
11. Trenton Thomas S – Mississippi St., Baylor, Rice, UNT, Utah, Houston, UNLV
12. Tanner Brock LB – Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Arizona St,, Kansas, Missouri, Purdue, Northwestern Baylor, Tulsa, SMU, UNT
13. Eric Tauch OL – Southern Miss, La Tech
14. DJ Yendrey DE –

I agree with Stallion in that I want to compete and win some recruits who were recruited by BCS schools. We all want the best players to start coming to SMU.

However, Stallion needs to remember TCU didn't start getting this caliber of player overnight. They started to win under Fran and the level of talent they were able to attract improved each year.

If we start to win under June and aren't winning some of the more highly sought after recruits then you will have an argument(although we would have a winning team so who cares) . At the very least wait until June has one football season under his belt to complain that our (one year removed from a 1-11 season) football program isn't yanking players USC wanted.