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Postby SoCal_Pony » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:02 pm

PK wrote:I think most (not all) of our players have descent talent, but in most cases they are undersized compared to our competition and in a long tough game that size differential will make a profound difference in the game's outcome.


PK,

Our last conference win was back in Nov of 2006. This team is not talented. If we aspire to be C-USA champions, which I think we are capable of doing, are there even 5 players currently starting who would be starting on that team?
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Postby Pony Soup » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:25 pm

Lotus wrote:
Stallion wrote:All 3 Ints were without question Mitchell's fault.
Wrong again. The first one (by Joe Burnett) was a great play made by a great player. He's phenomenal athlete, he jumped in front of the receiver, jumped 624 feet off the ground (or so) and stretched out to snag the ball with his fingertips. Few, if any, other CBs in the country make that pick. Should BLM have thrown it a little higher, or deeper, or to another WR? Sure, in hindsight. But that's a play that happened because Joe Burnett has a long NFL career in front of him. It happens.


i dont believe he jumped that high. impossible.
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Postby chillinfool » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:22 am

So Cal Pony,,,,There won't be any players on this team by the time SMU wins Conf USA because I doubt it happens in the next 4 years, and they will all be graduated.

I just don't get how last year we were at least competitive in 9 of 12 games, then we bring in the "coaching guru" and we go backwards???
I don't agree with it, but sometimes you have to wonder if Bennet may have been a better coach that we thought(?) I say that considering SMU had a chance to win under him with basically the same players, and under JJ we haven't even come been competitive except againt a 1-AA school, and Tulane that tried to give away the game in the second half.
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Postby Mustangs35SMU » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:36 am

ThadFilms wrote:I actually do... I am totally patient. I felt we were going to win tonight, just a hunch. But we didn't I am really no upset about it. I feel really good about our future, and - for once - I am not upset about the losses. I really don't thik this is the year we will win under J. Jones, BUT, I have absolutely no doubt that we will win. And win soon. Next year or the year after,,,, sooon, baby, soon!


Amen.

100% agree.
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Postby ponyangel » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:25 am

Stallion, that was not Bo's mom making comments about int's not being his fault.

I guess Bo at least 2 fans!!

The thing about Bo, is he will always take responsibilty for his mistakes.
That is how he grows and continues to become a better player/leader.

This team will mature together as they grow-up in public view, and learn a new system.
Sucess doesn't happened overnight.... when these young players have played together for a few years...they will be unstoppable.

Remember when your Dallas Cowboys "bought" every good player in the NFL, they weren't sucessful in their first season. Not matter the talent level, players have to be together to build a TEAM, learn each others habits, and execute.

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Postby RGV Pony » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:39 am

ponyangel wrote:Stallion, that was not Bo's mom making comments about int's not being his fault.



well, thank you Bo's mom. And welcome.
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Postby BrianTinBigD » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:43 am

I look at this season as one of learning. The talent pool was rather depleted. The players that are starting to make plays are all young. Next years team will have a QB with 12 starts, a couple of top ten receivers, a more experienced line, and the defense will have more play makers. Assume the offense and defense are better and things will start to look up. As much as I wish we had more wins, I just don't see it happening this year. Next year could be the big breakout that we were hoping for.

The other thing I noticed is I am no longer [deleted] about special teams after every game. We aren't doing anything special out there but this area is a huge improvement. By this time last year, we would have had several kicks blocked and run the friggin' swinging gate to death.

Also, I had a chance to talke to Bo yesterday and he seemed upbeat and ready to go against Tulsa. He was all smiles and he is a confident individual. This kid is resilient and will only get better. I know nobody wants to hear about next year but I am really looking forward to what next year will bring.
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Postby JasonB » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:53 am

chillinfool wrote:So Cal Pony,,,,There won't be any players on this team by the time SMU wins Conf USA because I doubt it happens in the next 4 years, and they will all be graduated.

I just don't get how last year we were at least competitive in 9 of 12 games, then we bring in the "coaching guru" and we go backwards???
I don't agree with it, but sometimes you have to wonder if Bennet may have been a better coach that we thought(?) I say that considering SMU had a chance to win under him with basically the same players, and under JJ we haven't even come been competitive except againt a 1-AA school, and Tulane that tried to give away the game in the second half.


There are two ways of playing football. Playing "not to lose" and playing to win. Bennett and his staff spent their time the last two seasons playing "Not to lose". Sure, it kept the games closer, but we still lost.

Jones is trying to play to win. He is installing a system and has a vision going forward. We are seeing a defense that gets more aggressive by the week, not less aggressive, and is starting to play better. Granted, a lot of that has to do with being able to stay in the 4-3 against both Tulane and UCF and not using hte nickel corner very much, but still, there has been significant improvement on the d-line over the course of the season.

We were competitive against UCF, we just gave the ball away with turnovers.

Next season, we will see marked improvement as the OL and QB grow up, and our young LBs and DBs will increase speed in the secondary. We will take a big step forward then. And we will see improvement in the offense the after the Tulsa game. Just be a little patient...
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Postby EastStang » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:38 am

After 18 years of futility, I think a lot of folks don't have the stomach for patience. I agree that this is a learning year, and hopefully next year we'll be much improved and in a couple of years, the youngest team in the Country will be the most experienced team in the Country.
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Postby PonyFan » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:43 am

JasonB wrote:There are two ways of playing football. Playing "not to lose" and playing to win. Bennett and his staff spent their time the last two seasons playing "Not to lose". Sure, it kept the games closer, but we still lost.

Jones is trying to play to win. He is installing a system and has a vision going forward. We are seeing a defense that gets more aggressive by the week, not less aggressive, and is starting to play better. Granted, a lot of that has to do with being able to stay in the 4-3 against both Tulane and UCF and not using hte nickel corner very much, but still, there has been significant improvement on the d-line over the course of the season.

We were competitive against UCF, we just gave the ball away with turnovers.

Next season, we will see marked improvement as the OL and QB grow up, and our young LBs and DBs will increase speed in the secondary. We will take a big step forward then. And we will see improvement in the offense the after the Tulsa game. Just be a little patient...
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Postby HB Pony Dad » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:52 am

Looking at my "JUNE COMETH" 2008 SMU Football schedule attached to my wall, I am somewhat confused by all the "Next Season"...""Next Year"... blah blah blah,

Guess what? Believe it or not there are still six (6) games left in this season and four (4) of them are home games!

I bought season seats and I live in socal, so please stop all the "woe are we" bull poopy and show some "Balls" of your feet.

I'm far from a sunshiner but sometimes you guys are true pansies!

Gee I feel better already.. :)

Oh No! Now if I can only shake this Red Sox Paranoia!

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Postby The XtC » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:26 pm

[quote="chillinfool"]
I just don't get how last year we were at least competitive in 9 of 12 games, then we bring in the "coaching guru" and we go backwards???
I don't agree with it, but sometimes you have to wonder if Bennet may have been a better coach that we thought(?) I say that considering SMU had a chance to win under him with basically the same players, .[/quote]

They aren't 'basically the same players". We lost 5 starters on defense and several guys who played alot as backups, and most of the returning starters have moved to different positions this year. 5 of the 9 offensive linemen on last years 2 deep roster graduated. Of the 11 players who caught passes for SMU last year, 7 are gone, and another is now an offensive tackle (Sanders, Robinson and Demyron Martin are the returnees). The Quarterback who set records over the last 2 years is now a reciever and at the bottom of the depth chart.

The depth chart went through major changes since last year, this is nowhere near to "basically the same players".
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Postby EastStang » Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:36 pm

Don't confuse him with the facts XTC.
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Postby SoCal_Pony » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:06 pm

EastStang wrote:After 18 years of futility, I think a lot of folks don't have the stomach for patience. I agree that this is a learning year, and hopefully next year we'll be much improved and in a couple of years, the youngest team in the Country will be the most experienced team in the Country.


ES, I do not know your basis for this statement.

We have perpetually stayed the youngest team in the country for the past 10 years for a reason. We lack the talent on the current squad so they must be replaced by newer players. Since newer players are not JCs but instead incoming freshmen, the 'youngest team in the country' cycle continues.

I see NOTHING from this team to conclude that this cycle will be broken.

and for the record, it is 20 years, not 18.
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Postby The XtC » Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:22 pm

[quote="SoCal_Pony"][quote="EastStang"]After 18 years of futility, I think a lot of folks don't have the stomach for patience. I agree that this is a learning year, and hopefully next year we'll be much improved and in a couple of years, [b]the youngest team in the Country will be the most experienced team in the Country[/b].[/quote]

ES, I do not know your basis for this statement.

We have perpetually stayed the youngest team in the country for the past 10 years for a reason. We lack the talent on the current squad so they must be replaced by newer players. Since newer players are not JCs but instead incoming freshmen, the 'youngest team in the country' cycle continues.

I see NOTHING from this team to conclude that this cycle will be broken.

and for the record, it is 20 years, not 18.[/quote]

If this was true, then we should have seen an upgrade in talent, as each year the younger guys replaced the less talented older players. That's the way it would go if your logic were correct. Unfortunately, the real reason we remain one of the country's youngest teams is that our player retention is horrible.

Does anyone remember Bennett's first recruiting class, and the 10 Rivals 3-Star recruits in that class? This years class is supposed to be a step forward recruiting wise, but has half as many 3-star players on the recruiting services. Those ten should have been 5th year seniors last year, they should have been the foundation of the team. So, where were they? Joe Sturdivant graduated the previous year, and Cory Muse played through another injury plagued season, so where were the rest of them? Gone. Eight out of ten (80% for those who arent good at math) left SMU before their eligibility was up. It doesnt matter who you recruit, you will stay perpetually young if they all leave.

How many seniors are on this years team, 13? How is that possible, when we sign at least twice that many recruits (including grayshirts) every year? Where do these recruits dissapear to? Does it really matter who you sign, if they arent going to stay? That's the real reason we're perpetually the countries youngest team.
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