Robo, another possible transfer

[papawasamustang]

Senegal connection.


http://www.newsok.com/ibrahima-thomas-d ... tory_title

[Thumper]

Is there a remaining scholarship?

[smupony]

Complete speculation:

Thomas did not redshirt. He would sit out his redshirt year and then play junior and senior years at SMU. At his position, he would play one year with Faye as a senior and JF as a freshman (maybe a redshirt since we would have Thomas). A redshirt would give a typical slower developing bigman time to mature.

Thomas' senior year: Faye is gone and JF playing his first real year.

It actually makes sense. In my opinion, we really need some slasher 2 guards.

[StangBry]

[quote="smupony"]Complete speculation:

Thomas did not redshirt. He would sit out his redshirt year and then play junior and senior years at SMU. At his position, he would play one year with Faye as a senior and JF as a freshman (maybe a redshirt since we would have Thomas). A redshirt would give a typical slower developing bigman time to mature.

Thomas' senior year: Faye is gone and JF playing his first real year.

It actually makes sense. In my opinion, we really need some slasher 2 guards.[/quote]

what is a slashing 2 guard? and which one of our guards doesn't have the speed or ball handling ability to do that? the way doherty coaches, he restricts and hinders creativity and improvisation. his first priority is to run set plays or get it into the post and work it out for open shots. everyone who watches the games sees this is not a free lance offense where players feel comfortable enough to take it to the basket whenever they feel necessary. its not the players, its the overcoaching by doherty. you dont think haynes or harp or any of the other guards have the athletic ability to make a quick move and get to the rim when they feel there's an advantage? for some reason derek williams is the only one who takes it upon himself to disregard the offense and try to make a play once in awhile, but my prediction is that will be corralled by doh as the season goes on and if williams is not cooperative he will get the doghouse treatment ala epps and dez

[papawasamustang]

Complete speculation:

Thomas did not redshirt. He would sit out his redshirt year and then play junior and senior years at SMU. At his position, he would play one year with Faye as a senior and JF as a freshman (maybe a redshirt since we would have Thomas). A redshirt would give a typical slower developing bigman time to mature.

Thomas' senior year: Faye is gone and JF playing his first real year.

It actually makes sense. In my opinion, we really need some slasher 2 guards.

Its all speculation but if you have a chance to get a starting center for a Big 12 team u get him. I think focusing on 1 position when you are recruiting or drafting leads to major mistakes.
At this stage of our program, we need the best players we can get @ any position.

[The XtC]

I'm not really sure why we seem to be drooling over a kid who quit on his former team, and whose coach describes him as "he lacked the commitment to make the program successful." Why do we want someone else's problem child?

[papawasamustang]

I'm not really sure why we seem to be drooling over a kid who quit on his former team, and whose coach describes him as "he lacked the commitment to make the program successful." Why do we want someone else's problem child?

No drooling going on here.
Just pointing out that he's out there & Robo needs to be looking @ every avenue to get this squad better & save his job.
If I was him I would have already been on the phone or face to face with
this dude & the other kid I posted about leaving U of Ariz.
Don't rag on the kid till u know all the circumstances.
I've seen a couple of these types of things first hand & the coaches version isn't always 100% accurate if u know what I mean.

[smupony]

Complete speculation:

Thomas did not redshirt. He would sit out his redshirt year and then play junior and senior years at SMU. At his position, he would play one year with Faye as a senior and JF as a freshman (maybe a redshirt since we would have Thomas). A redshirt would give a typical slower developing bigman time to mature.

Thomas' senior year: Faye is gone and JF playing his first real year.

It actually makes sense. In my opinion, we really need some slasher 2 guards.

what is a slashing 2 guard? and which one of our guards doesn't have the speed or ball handling ability to do that? the way doherty coaches, he restricts and hinders creativity and improvisation. his first priority is to run set plays or get it into the post and work it out for open shots. everyone who watches the games sees this is not a free lance offense where players feel comfortable enough to take it to the basket whenever they feel necessary. its not the players, its the overcoaching by doherty. you dont think haynes or harp or any of the other guards have the athletic ability to make a quick move and get to the rim when they feel there's an advantage? for some reason derek williams is the only one who takes it upon himself to disregard the offense and try to make a play once in awhile, but my prediction is that will be corralled by doh as the season goes on and if williams is not cooperative he will get the doghouse treatment ala epps and dez

So which player or player's parent are you? Looks like you joined us at the begining of the season. Is it McCoy, Williams, Haynes, Hoge, or Otis? Or are you just a buddy?

Doesn't matter. All teams have structure. This isn't the NBA. We don't run an iso and let a player break their defender down. We can use about 30 schools as examples that run great systems that still have players who take the open look to the hole.

The day Harp breaks down his defender in an iso play is the day I start wearing his jersey to games. Harp was brought here to be a great defender, shooter, and hussle guy. I like his game for those reasons. Haynes is yet to be determined.

Your slasher not only should be able to score, but also distribute. Williams does a great job of that. Disrupt the defensive set and find the open man. One problem. Williams is a junior, we only have him one more year.

Would be nice to have an off guard who has his same nose for the basket.

[StangBry]

[quote]So which player or player's parent are you? Looks like you joined us at the begining of the season. Is it McCoy, Williams, Haynes, Hoge, or Otis? Or are you just a buddy?

Doesn't matter. All teams have structure. This isn't the NBA. We don't run an iso and let a player break their defender down. We can use about 30 schools as examples that run great systems that still have players who take the open look to the hole.

The day Harp breaks down his defender in an iso play is the day I start wearing his jersey to games. Harp was brought here to be a great defender, shooter, and hussle guy. I like his game for those reasons. Haynes is yet to be determined.

Your slasher not only should be able to score, but also distribute. Williams does a great job of that. Disrupt the defensive set and find the open man. One problem. Williams is a junior, we only have him one more year.

Would be nice to have an off guard who has his same nose for the basket.[/quote][/quote]

haha yeah im everyones parent, im the team mom - but your forgot poor maag. back from lala land, id like to know (since the number of posts you make clearly equals your knowledge of the game) what offense we do run? and im not talking about iso's, i believe i said when it is necessary players should feel free to attack the basket instead of worrying about whether doherty will be upset if they break the offensive set. i've been on the inside i know this is the problem, not the talent of the players. and i feel sorry for you if you feel this way, but if you think derek williams is what we're looking for as far as a slashing 2 guard, smu basketball is doomed

[papawasamustang]

So which player or player's parent are you? Looks like you joined us at the begining of the season. Is it McCoy, Williams, Haynes, Hoge, or Otis? Or are you just a buddy?

Doesn't matter. All teams have structure. This isn't the NBA. We don't run an iso and let a player break their defender down. We can use about 30 schools as examples that run great systems that still have players who take the open look to the hole.

The day Harp breaks down his defender in an iso play is the day I start wearing his jersey to games. Harp was brought here to be a great defender, shooter, and hussle guy. I like his game for those reasons. Haynes is yet to be determined.

Your slasher not only should be able to score, but also distribute. Williams does a great job of that. Disrupt the defensive set and find the open man. One problem. Williams is a junior, we only have him one more year.

Would be nice to have an off guard who has his same nose for the basket.

haha yeah im everyones parent, im the team mom - but your forgot poor maag. back from lala land, id like to know (since the number of posts you make clearly equals your knowledge of the game) what offense we do run? and im not talking about iso's, i believe i said when it is necessary players should feel free to attack the basket instead of worrying about whether doherty will be upset if they break the offensive set. i've been on the inside i know this is the problem, not the talent of the players. and i feel sorry for you if you feel this way, but if you think derek williams is what we're looking for as far as a slashing 2 guard, smu basketball is doomed[/quote]


The ideal situation was Williams being the first G off the bench backing up Dubois & McCoy. That is really a shame that it didn't work out.
That would have been a very special backcourt.

[Stallion]

are we really complaining about Williams who jumps into the lineup from Game 1 and is scoring in double figures. He's been fantastic in his first year. SMU's back court which looked like a disaster based upon returning players has been solid especially considering the inexperience- the front court and the sophmore class not so much.

[smupony]

are we really complaining about Williams who jumps into the lineup from Game 1 and is scoring in double figures. He's been fantastic in his first year. SMU's back court which looked like a disaster based upon returning players has been solid especially considering the inexperience- the front court and the sophmore class not so much.

Agreed Stallion.

[papawasamustang]

are we really complaining about Williams who jumps into the lineup from Game 1 and is scoring in double figures. He's been fantastic in his first year. SMU's back court which looked like a disaster based upon returning players has been solid especially considering the inexperience- the front court and the sophmore class not so much.

Agreed Stallion.

Me too. Williams has been solid.
Just too bad he's not part of the 3 man rotation I mentioned earlier.

[smupony]

So which player or player's parent are you? Looks like you joined us at the begining of the season. Is it McCoy, Williams, Haynes, Hoge, or Otis? Or are you just a buddy?

Doesn't matter. All teams have structure. This isn't the NBA. We don't run an iso and let a player break their defender down. We can use about 30 schools as examples that run great systems that still have players who take the open look to the hole.

The day Harp breaks down his defender in an iso play is the day I start wearing his jersey to games. Harp was brought here to be a great defender, shooter, and hussle guy. I like his game for those reasons. Haynes is yet to be determined.

Your slasher not only should be able to score, but also distribute. Williams does a great job of that. Disrupt the defensive set and find the open man. One problem. Williams is a junior, we only have him one more year.

Would be nice to have an off guard who has his same nose for the basket.

haha yeah im everyones parent, im the team mom - but your forgot poor maag. back from lala land, id like to know (since the number of posts you make clearly equals your knowledge of the game) what offense we do run? and im not talking about iso's, i believe i said when it is necessary players should feel free to attack the basket instead of worrying about whether doherty will be upset if they break the offensive set. i've been on the inside i know this is the problem, not the talent of the players. and i feel sorry for you if you feel this way, but if you think derek williams is what we're looking for as far as a slashing 2 guard, smu basketball is doomed[/quote]

Since this is your first year of watching basketball, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. This team with McCoy and Williams is the best guard play we have seen this decade. It's not ideal, but it is the best. We have really never had a true PG that can run the offense and bring the ball up without multiple turnovers a game. And please nobady bring up Bryan Hopkins. He was a 2 guard in a point guard's body. In the past, teams would press us on every made basket because they new we would turn it over.

On your comment about my words concerning Williams being a great slashing 2 guard. He fills that role for now, but is not the size of Haynes. We will have defensive issues against bigger 2 guards in league play. That's why I feel we need those players. Williams and McCoy are point guards playing at the same time always making the other play out of position.

You can bring all of the names that Coach D uses for the offense, but at the end of the day we run out of a true motion (if the defense is in man). I've seen us run some overload packages when the other team is in zone. Pretty basic stuff. Would like to see more back picks and cuts to the hoop. That type of anticipation comes with a more veteran team who has played together. Would also like to see more picks under the hoop. Tell me how much better Bamba's and Papa's stats would look if they were catching the ball off screens under the hoop.

Trust me, I'm no armchair quarterback (point guard for this example). I've played the game against some pretty high competition in the DC area. As mentioned by EastStang, the WCAC league has some of the best bball in the nation. We were playing against Dematha type schools every night.

Lastly, I did not include Maag because he is no longer on the roster.

[papawasamustang]

In past years, you had the traditional smaller pg & the 6'4 or 6'5 shooting guard. Today, alot of teams are playing a 3 guard, 2 forward type lineup.
The good news is that CUSA is a very guard oriented type league.
Playing Williams & McCoy together will be no problem.
The concern is when they get in foul trouble or need to sub out.
We don't have alot of depth @ that position. I was hoping Walker's ballhandling would have improved more but he appears to still be a stationary type shooter with not alot of ballhandling skills.