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Postby expony18 » Mon Jan 26, 2009 1:51 pm

on a side note Duke Head Coach Mike Krzyzewski will not be fired after beating Maryland 88-45 (even though the blue devils were jacking up 3's with less then a minute left in the game
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Postby HB Pony Dad » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:26 pm

expony18 wrote:on a side note Duke Head Coach Mike Krzyzewski will not be fired after beating Maryland 88-45 (even though the blue devils were jacking up 3's with less then a minute left in the game


Without a doubt the poor Maryland BB team is a valid comparison here :roll:

BTW who was the National Basketball Champion in 2002? :wink:
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Postby RGV Pony » Mon Jan 26, 2009 4:09 pm

expony18 wrote:on a side note Duke Head Coach Mike Krzyzewski will not be fired after beating Maryland 88-45 (even though the blue devils were jacking up 3's with less then a minute left in the game


well, that's what the Vasquez kid from Maryland gets for running his mouth before the game. Wouldn't it be nice if our beloved Mustangs could send messages in a similar fashion?
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Postby EastStang » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:06 pm

Having coached HS kids, enthusiasm of kids is hard to reign in sometimes. I don't know if he left his starters in. But I remember coaching a game against not special kids, but a pretty weak team. I had a very very good team. We could not call timeouts. By the end of the first quarter it was like 22-4. By halftime it was like 52-4 and I couldn't call timeout to call off the dogs. I pulled my starters and made them play a soft half court zone after the half and told them they had to make at least three passes before shooting. That led to fewer outside baskets and more lay-ups. And there was a 45 second shot clock, so no stalling was permitted. By the end of the third quarter it was 80-10. My starters were complaining that they came to play not sit on the bench and all the players wanted to score 100. I think the final score was 102 to 22. Things like that happen. The school should not have scheduled a game against special kids, but once they did, there is only so much you can do to hold down the score (especially with a shot clock). I don't know what some of the other scores were for Dallas Academy and who they played. Not knowing more about how the game progressed, whether subs were made, whether soft zones were employed, whether the coach put in a passing rule, or whether he told them to hold the ball and not try and shoot until there were 5 seconds left on the shot clock. Its tough to coach kids, because they want to have fun and fun means scoring buckets. Here in Virginia, there is one school that is considered special ed but its for emotionally disturbed kids. These kids are socio-paths, psycho-paths, etc. They aren't allowed to play regular schools teams because the coaches are afraid of them. So when you use the term special ed, you have to understand that there are different kinds of learning disabled programs. I am sure JJ would love to have few learning disabled linemen this year. Don't forget Joe Jacoby who should be in the Hall of Fame was legally deaf when he enrolled in Louisville and played in the NFL. Now on the other hand if the team was full of downs kids that's another story.
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Postby RGV Pony » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:27 pm

EastStang wrote:Having coached HS kids, enthusiasm of kids is hard to reign in sometimes. I don't know if he left his starters in. But I remember coaching a game against not special kids, but a pretty weak team. I had a very very good team. We could not call timeouts. By the end of the first quarter it was like 22-4. By halftime it was like 52-4 and I couldn't call timeout to call off the dogs. I pulled my starters and made them play a soft half court zone after the half and told them they had to make at least three passes before shooting. That led to fewer outside baskets and more lay-ups. And there was a 45 second shot clock, so no stalling was permitted. By the end of the third quarter it was 80-10. My starters were complaining that they came to play not sit on the bench and all the players wanted to score 100. I think the final score was 102 to 22. Things like that happen. The school should not have scheduled a game against special kids, but once they did, there is only so much you can do to hold down the score (especially with a shot clock). I don't know what some of the other scores were for Dallas Academy and who they played. Not knowing more about how the game progressed, whether subs were made, whether soft zones were employed, whether the coach put in a passing rule, or whether he told them to hold the ball and not try and shoot until there were 5 seconds left on the shot clock. Its tough to coach kids, because they want to have fun and fun means scoring buckets. Here in Virginia, there is one school that is considered special ed but its for emotionally disturbed kids. These kids are socio-paths, psycho-paths, etc. They aren't allowed to play regular schools teams because the coaches are afraid of them. So when you use the term special ed, you have to understand that there are different kinds of learning disabled programs. I am sure JJ would love to have few learning disabled linemen this year. Don't forget Joe Jacoby who should be in the Hall of Fame was legally deaf when he enrolled in Louisville and played in the NFL. Now on the other hand if the team was full of downs kids that's another story.


I think we've all played in similar games. I remember a game in which we beat the mighty Post Antelopes 97-30, what like 25 years ago. I still remember being told halfway through the 4th quarter not to even THINK about trying for 100, and if anyone took a shot without pulling back and passing it around, plan on running aplenty the next day.
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Postby mr. pony » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:59 pm

What's the story on them being "special kids?" All I've seen is they have "learning problems" and "attention problems." Is that today's PC speak for something worse or are they just slower learners?

Anyway, "special kids" should be playing other "special kids," no?
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Postby mr. pony » Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:09 pm

BTW, this is next:

Coach charged with homocide when kid dies after hot football practice last August -

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Postby smupony94 » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:30 pm

> Message from the Head of School:
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> "All I know is I've got some good news. I've got some bad news."
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> - George Strait
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> Am I the only one or does it feel like President Obama's inauguration was several months ago? Covenant's recent game against Dallas Academy has surprisingly turned into an item of national and international interest. From China to Australia to a nun in Rome, emails and phone calls have flooded into our school. As you can imagine, people have strong opinions all across the spectrum, but none of that really matters.
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> Beyond all the media hype and public outrage, I want to make two things clear:
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> 1) Covenant's Board, Administration and Faculty fully support our Varsity Girls Basketball Team. These young ladies have worked tirelessly this season to pull a team together. We do not believe that the lopsided nature of this now notorious game and its resulting impact are indicative of their character as players or people. We strongly believe that the Lord has a plan for good for them and for our school.
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> 2) As the dust begins to settle from this whole story, here's what we must remember: Covenant exists to glorify God in all that we do. From academics to athletics, this objective is at the core of who we are as a mission-minded educational community. This defines not only who we are but what we do and where we are headed.
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> Finally, with George Strait, I've got some bad news and some good news. First, the bad news: Covenant is an imperfect school filled with imperfect people. We sometimes miss our mission! We need forgiveness both personally and, at times, institutionally. We are sinners. Second, the good news: In our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, God has extended to us the undeserved mercy we desperately need. We must flee to Him at such times and boast only in Christ crucified. He is our champion. May He alone be exalted.
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> As we all cling to Him, we covet your ongoing prayers as our school moves through the days and weeks ahead.
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> Non nobis,
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Postby FriscoPMG » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:09 pm

I know they're trying to make this all go away, but please accept the Hardline's challenge to a game!
I'm sure it could be justified by making it a charity event...
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Postby Kiper » Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:37 pm

jtstang wrote:Anybody who lets his team of normal kids beat a team of "special" kids (which is what Dallas Academy is comprised of), should be fired and then tarred and feathered.


gostangs wrote:The right call. This was not the pros or even college. When you get up by 50 in a girls high school game you call off the dogs. Only a first rate jerk would do otherwise.

You're both absolutely right.

Here's hoping the guy never coaches again, at any level.
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Postby EastStang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:19 am

Further investigation shows that these "special kids" were in fact, kids with some learning disabilities, ADD and dyslexia, that sort of thing. They were not playing a team of Downs kids. Yes, 100-0 was bad. But, would you want his team to stand on the sidelines and see if one of the opponents could make an uncontested layup or hand them the ball under the basket and say, shoot? That would be even more disrespectful. Again, if he left his starters in the whole game, if he kept a press in place the whole game, and didn't at least try to slow his team's scoring down, he should be criticised.
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Postby mrydel » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:33 am

I will in no way defend the coach's actions, and it is probably good that he was fired, but one of the most humiliating times I can recall as an SMU fan since the death penalty (and there have been many) was when the Notre Dame punt returner ran out of bounds intentionally rather than scoring near the end of our game with them the first year back. They were pounding us into the ground anyway, and it was not like they were intentionally running up the score, so he should have just gone on in. That "random act of kindness" has stayed in my mind as much as the Houston drubbing.
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Postby docabel » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:03 am

EastStang.

The DA girls are not special as in special olympics. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) there is no video of this game, but by all reports of the fans that were at the game, it was the manner in which they won that is at issue. Half court jump presses in the second half are unacceptable in that situation. You starting point guard has 48 points - I realize they are enthusiastic kids, but at some point can't the COACH tell her no more shots, pass to your teamates?
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Postby EastStang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:37 am

As I said, if they were still pressing, that is wrong. If the point guard was not passing at least once, that would be wrong as well. I just didn't want people thinking these were Special Olympics kids that were getting picked on. Having dealt with emotionally disturbed - learning disabled kids, I'm a bit surprised that there wasn't a fight even in girls basketball.
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Postby PoconoPony » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:36 pm

Maybe Coach Doh should check out out our 2010 schedule and see if we can schedule them. A win is a win.
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