Memo to SMU men's hoops: Drop the act against the DISD

[papawasamustang]

Goldmine? thats an exageration of the Rivals top 100, 8 are from texas only 3 from DFW, where as Califonia has 15 in the top 100

If you don't think the DFW area is a goldmine for DI BB talent than you
need to look @ more than one Rivals top 100 list from one year.
Go back 3 or 4 years & look @ the talent coming out of this area & look @ the 10, 11 & 12 classes & beyond @ the talent in this area.
Also, many great young nba players are from the Dallas area. Its clearly a goldmine & one of the hottest recruiting areas in the country.

The bottom line is it really doesn't matter with this coaching staff.
They aren't landing the top talent, with the exception of McCoy, from any area. I know, I know. It takes time.

[White Helmet]

I am just saying that just because a kid is not from DFW doesnt mean he cant play. I do agree we have a lot of guys that cant play.

[LA_Mustang]

This is where I think your argument is flawed. So long to repair from what? Since the Hopkins brothers in 2002, we have not landed another DISD player other than Dez Willingham, a transfer. There was no existing pipeline in DISD for Doherty to rebuild. It was/is a complete start from scratch job.

SMU's athletic reputation is a joke to adults that were alive during the "glory days." What do you think its reputation is for kids (especially inner city kids like everyone is clammoring for) we are now recruiting who weren't born until well into the 1990s?

I, everyone here, and the coaching staff would love to have the best players is DISD play at SMU. But if that is not possible, I would rather us take better players who want to come here, whereever they may be from, than settle for marginal D1 talent interested in us solely bc they are from our city.

Dez went to DeSoto not to a HS in the DISD, but I think Doherty made a big mistake by not bringing a local (DISD) guy on his staff. While I don’t doubt the Carter coach said that about SMU to the media, behind closed doors I seriously doubt any local coach pushes their kids to SMU.

[EastStang]

1. We're a mid-major. We are not in a marquee conference for basketball. So, your top talent is going to be drawn to the ACC, BE, Big XII and SEC and to a lesser extent Big Ten and Pac-10. If you're a stud player from Dallas, DC, Chicago, LA, would you rather play for Wake Forest or SMU? DePaul or Marquette or SMU? USC or SMU? We need to get the best players we can find to come here whereever they are. Whether in Dallas or DC, LA or Laramie, Katy or Cali.

2. We did rip our nickers with DISD, but to his credit, Doherty did go to the local rib joint and hang out with some of the DISD coaches to try and mend fences.

3. In modern basketball recruiting, HS coaches pretty much mean nothing except for the Prep school factories. Its the club coaches that are key. Heck one of our players didn't even play HS basketball. I do like the idea of getting a DISD coach to be an assistant.

[papawasamustang]

This is where I think your argument is flawed. So long to repair from what? Since the Hopkins brothers in 2002, we have not landed another DISD player other than Dez Willingham, a transfer. There was no existing pipeline in DISD for Doherty to rebuild. It was/is a complete start from scratch job.

SMU's athletic reputation is a joke to adults that were alive during the "glory days." What do you think its reputation is for kids (especially inner city kids like everyone is clammoring for) we are now recruiting who weren't born until well into the 1990s?

I, everyone here, and the coaching staff would love to have the best players is DISD play at SMU. But if that is not possible, I would rather us take better players who want to come here, whereever they may be from, than settle for marginal D1 talent interested in us solely bc they are from our city.

Dez went to DeSoto not to a HS in the DISD, but I think Doherty made a big mistake by not bringing a local (DISD) guy on his staff. While I don’t doubt the Carter coach said that about SMU to the media, behind closed doors I seriously doubt any local coach pushes their kids to SMU.

The Carter coach didn't say that to the media, he said it 2 me.
It will be interesting to see how far we get with Evans, their jr. pg, that we are recruiting.
Also, it has been mentioned that we are making alot of strides in the AAU arena, especially in the Cedar Hill area where there is outstanding young talent.
The question still comes down to is Doh going to be able to start taking advantage of the talent in the area? The answer as of today is NO.

[MustangIcon]

This is where I think your argument is flawed. So long to repair from what? Since the Hopkins brothers in 2002, we have not landed another DISD player other than Dez Willingham, a transfer. There was no existing pipeline in DISD for Doherty to rebuild. It was/is a complete start from scratch job.

SMU's athletic reputation is a joke to adults that were alive during the "glory days." What do you think its reputation is for kids (especially inner city kids like everyone is clammoring for) we are now recruiting who weren't born until well into the 1990s?

I, everyone here, and the coaching staff would love to have the best players is DISD play at SMU. But if that is not possible, I would rather us take better players who want to come here, whereever they may be from, than settle for marginal D1 talent interested in us solely bc they are from our city.

Dez went to DeSoto not to a HS in the DISD, but I think Doherty made a big mistake by not bringing a local (DISD) guy on his staff. While I don’t doubt the Carter coach said that about SMU to the media, behind closed doors I seriously doubt any local coach pushes their kids to SMU.

You are correct about DeSoto. I got caught up thinking Dallas area, not specifically, DISD. So 2002 was the last time we had a DISD signee.

[George S. Patton]

So 2002 was the last time we had a DISD signee.

And here we are in 2009.

[originaloverthehilltop1]

bus: If we win, the right guys will want to come to SMU. Not smooozed to come to SMU.

in the meantime we have to stop this stupid strategy of signing the best players we can get--TODAY, from wherever they come from. we'll never start the winning with good players from outside the city limits.

these are the people who think terrorists will stop being terrorists if we just reach out to them: they are sure the handful of best players from dallas will want to play for a team struggling to compete with ecu (in front of empty seats), if only we stop being so arrogant.

and before some of you jump to the conclusion that i am implying that 18 year olds are comparable to terrorists.....well, i guess i'm ok with that.

[LA_Mustang]

papa,
let me ask you a question - if it came down to SMU, Tulsa and Baylor (just throwing those schools out there) for Evans do you really think Carter's coach would prefer him go to SMU?

[PonyDoh]

Goldmine? thats an exageration of the Rivals top 100, 8 are from texas only 3 from DFW, where as Califonia has 15 in the top 100

If you don't think the DFW area is a goldmine for DI BB talent than you
need to look @ more than one Rivals top 100 list from one year.
Go back 3 or 4 years & look @ the talent coming out of this area & look @ the 10, 11 & 12 classes & beyond @ the talent in this area.
Also, many great young nba players are from the Dallas area. Its clearly a goldmine & one of the hottest recruiting areas in the country.

The bottom line is it really doesn't matter with this coaching staff.
They aren't landing the top talent, with the exception of McCoy, from any area. I know, I know. It takes time.

It's definitely not one the hottest recruiting areas in the country, as it lacks depth. The elite players get cherry picked and what's left over isn't necessarily as good as what's left over out of Chicago/DC/LA/Atlanta etc. Its why you see Texas & A&M going national at this point.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against DFW or local talent, but the one thing nobody ever answers is, what model are you following? SMU is a fairly elite private institution, w/o much high end hoops history. Who are you modeling yourself after, and what do they do? Its really not good enough to say 'lets recruit locally,' when we've never been successful at it, and there are legit reasons why. Find a model like SMU's and work it, don't compare yourself to OU, OSU, A&M, Baylor, Texas etc.

[Bergermeister]

First, when SMU has the opportunity to replace an assistant coach, let's look real hard at a minority candidate from the DISD

How many years was Jimmy Tubbs an assistant basketball coach at SMU?

[papawasamustang]

Goldmine? thats an exageration of the Rivals top 100, 8 are from texas only 3 from DFW, where as Califonia has 15 in the top 100

If you don't think the DFW area is a goldmine for DI BB talent than you
need to look @ more than one Rivals top 100 list from one year.
Go back 3 or 4 years & look @ the talent coming out of this area & look @ the 10, 11 & 12 classes & beyond @ the talent in this area.
Also, many great young nba players are from the Dallas area. Its clearly a goldmine & one of the hottest recruiting areas in the country.

The bottom line is it really doesn't matter with this coaching staff.
They aren't landing the top talent, with the exception of McCoy, from any area. I know, I know. It takes time.

It's definitely not one the hottest recruiting areas in the country, as it lacks depth. The elite players get cherry picked and what's left over isn't necessarily as good as what's left over out of Chicago/DC/LA/Atlanta etc. Its why you see Texas & A&M going national at this point.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against DFW or local talent, but the one thing nobody ever answers is, what model are you following? SMU is a fairly elite private institution, w/o much high end hoops history. Who are you modeling yourself after, and what do they do? Its really not good enough to say 'lets recruit locally,' when we've never been successful at it, and there are legit reasons why. Find a model like SMU's and work it, don't compare yourself to OU, OSU, A&M, Baylor, Texas etc.

DFW & Texas is a major recruiting "hot bed" for college basketball talent. The "cherry picking" can be said for any major city in the US.
I like what Gillispie said below while coaching @ A&M.

Gillispie's 2004 pledge to recruit Texas — home of three of the nation's nine largest cities — in hunting down talent has paid big dividends for the Aggies, who are vying for their first Big 12 title.

"It's very difficult to go outside your state," Gillispie said. "You've got to become nationally prominent year after year to beat someone on their home players. You have to try and stay as close to your campus as possible.

"We would all be making a big mistake if we didn't start close to home."

This is the same thing I have been saying from day 1.
You recruit inside out, not outside in & obviously Doh is making a major mistake.

[MustangIcon]

This is the same thing I have been saying from day 1.
You recruit inside out, not outside in.

That is all fine and dandy if you can get local guys. Under Tubbs nor under Doherty have we been able to do that. You're right, lets bring in the next guy to fail at recruiting inner city Dallas talent.

[papawasamustang]

This is the same thing I have been saying from day 1.
You recruit inside out, not outside in.

That is all fine and dandy if you can get local guys. Under Tubbs nor under Doherty have we been able to do that. You're right, lets bring in the next guy to fail at recruiting inner city Dallas talent.

It can happen, just a shame we spent the last 5 years spinning our wheels with the wrong coaches.

[George S. Patton]

LOOK AT THE ROSTER.

How many Dallas kids? None
How many So. Dallas County kids? None
How many Dallas County kids at all? None

Stands out like a sore thumb.

I said it in the original post. Most coaches will pledge to tie up the borders because they know that's the best way to lay a foundation.

Excuse the Minnesota connection, but Tubby Smith made that a priority. Go to the Rivals page on Gopher hoops and look as their most recent class. He got the big ones in that state to stay including a 5-star.

The Gophers were getting killed by Wisconsin for the top talent in MSP. That trend is changing.

Again, it goes back to the results. Doherty and Co. have not done a good job in this area. For the program to be successful, there has to be a local base. As far as I can tell, we have jack.

BTW Icon, nice sourball attitude to automatically think the next one will fail in Dallas.