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by papawasamustang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:36 am
PonyDoh wrote:papa, how many schools can you name that fire in year 3, w/only 2 true recruiting classes under the coaches belt? Also, we're in a recession, and the program is probably operating at a loss. I don't know what Doh's buy out is, but why would you bite that off, when you can just kick him to the curb in a year or so? The program is a mess and the product stinks, but business is business
As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs. Trimming some of Doh scatter shooting all over the country recruiting budget forcing him to concentrate locally/state in his own backyard might not be a bad thing. Also, it could help create an identity for the program that they desperately need. Build a winning program with local/state talent. I'm not saying cut the national scene off totally but I'm saying there should be some accountability showing that this staff is focused & using the majority of their resources locally & wisely.
I'm sure that Rhonda doesn't have anything near the recruiting budget Doh has & they are successful with 12 Texas, 1 Oklahoma & 1 Kansas player.
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by papawasamustang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:18 am
Funny. 1st conference loss?
If they only knew how good they have it.
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by FriscoPMG » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:18 pm
papawasamustang wrote:As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs.
Based on Doh's blogs, it sounds like this team is chartering pretty regularly now, so I don't think the spending has slowed there. Yes, in yesterday's case the charter came in very useful with the weather here, but it still blows my mind how much is being spent on this lowly program now.
I know this is beating a dead horse, but considering the tight budgets under Copeland vs. this free spending under Orsini, it makes the lack of success on the field even more embarrassing & an even bigger failure. Instead of taking guarantee games during this 3-4 yr rebuilding process and at least making a little money while we suffer, we're instead spoiling this program and treating it like this Top 25 team that we're all dreaming about. Sounds like a very poorly run athletic department to me...
And the excuse for chartering is so the kids can be back in time for their Thursday morning classes after a Wed night game...yet for some reason this isn't important for the defending C-USA champions (women's team).
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by papawasamustang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:01 pm
FriscoPMG wrote:papawasamustang wrote:As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs.
Based on Doh's blogs, it sounds like this team is chartering pretty regularly now, so I don't think the spending has slowed there. Yes, in yesterday's case the charter came in very useful with the weather here, but it still blows my mind how much is being spent on this lowly program now. I know this is beating a dead horse, but considering the tight budgets under Copeland vs. this free spending under Orsini, it makes the lack of success on the field even more embarrassing & an even bigger failure. Instead of taking guarantee games during this 3-4 yr rebuilding process and at least making a little money while we suffer, we're instead spoiling this program and treating it like this Top 25 team that we're all dreaming about. Sounds like a very poorly run athletic department to me... And the excuse for chartering is so the kids can be back in time for their Thursday morning classes after a Wed night game...yet for some reason this isn't important for the defending C-USA champions (women's team).
Those are really good points.
BTW, here's a funny quote I read re: a game against UofH.
They were questioning Doh's coaching in 07.
What I have yet to figure out is why SMU coach Matt Doherty kept the "Bony Express" -- 7-1 Bamba Fall and 6-11 Dontatas Rackauskas -- nailed to the bench. Fall played just 13 minutes, while Rackauskas, who had been averaging 8.3 points and six rebounds, watched the entire game. When you have a height advantage like that, you have to figure out a way to exploit it, don't you think?
Apparently Doherty did not think so.
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by MustangIcon » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:17 pm
papawasamustang wrote:FriscoPMG wrote:papawasamustang wrote:As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs.
Based on Doh's blogs, it sounds like this team is chartering pretty regularly now, so I don't think the spending has slowed there. Yes, in yesterday's case the charter came in very useful with the weather here, but it still blows my mind how much is being spent on this lowly program now. I know this is beating a dead horse, but considering the tight budgets under Copeland vs. this free spending under Orsini, it makes the lack of success on the field even more embarrassing & an even bigger failure. Instead of taking guarantee games during this 3-4 yr rebuilding process and at least making a little money while we suffer, we're instead spoiling this program and treating it like this Top 25 team that we're all dreaming about. Sounds like a very poorly run athletic department to me... And the excuse for chartering is so the kids can be back in time for their Thursday morning classes after a Wed night game...yet for some reason this isn't important for the defending C-USA champions (women's team).
Those are really good points. BTW, here's a funny quote I read re: a game against UofH. They were questioning Doh's coaching in 07. What I have yet to figure out is why SMU coach Matt Doherty kept the "Bony Express" -- 7-1 Bamba Fall and 6-11 Dontatas Rackauskas -- nailed to the bench. Fall played just 13 minutes, while Rackauskas, who had been averaging 8.3 points and six rebounds, watched the entire game. When you have a height advantage like that, you have to figure out a way to exploit it, don't you think? Apparently Doherty did not think so.
Did you attend either of the SMU/UH games that year? I did the first game in Houston. We could not come close to matching UH's speed with Bamba or Rack on the floor. They both played that game, prolly 15-20 minutes a piece. We lost by prolly 20. The second game Doherty tried to shake things up by going small/athletic to I would assume, try and match UH. We lost again but would you propose trying the exact same thing again that got you run off the court the first time? Of course you would. The article just said so... 
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by PonyDoh » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:26 pm
papawasamustang wrote:FriscoPMG wrote:papawasamustang wrote:As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs.
Based on Doh's blogs, it sounds like this team is chartering pretty regularly now, so I don't think the spending has slowed there. Yes, in yesterday's case the charter came in very useful with the weather here, but it still blows my mind how much is being spent on this lowly program now. I know this is beating a dead horse, but considering the tight budgets under Copeland vs. this free spending under Orsini, it makes the lack of success on the field even more embarrassing & an even bigger failure. Instead of taking guarantee games during this 3-4 yr rebuilding process and at least making a little money while we suffer, we're instead spoiling this program and treating it like this Top 25 team that we're all dreaming about. Sounds like a very poorly run athletic department to me... And the excuse for chartering is so the kids can be back in time for their Thursday morning classes after a Wed night game...yet for some reason this isn't important for the defending C-USA champions (women's team).
Those are really good points. BTW, here's a funny quote I read re: a game against UofH. They were questioning Doh's coaching in 07. What I have yet to figure out is why SMU coach Matt Doherty kept the "Bony Express" -- 7-1 Bamba Fall and 6-11 Dontatas Rackauskas -- nailed to the bench. Fall played just 13 minutes, while Rackauskas, who had been averaging 8.3 points and six rebounds, watched the entire game. When you have a height advantage like that, you have to figure out a way to exploit it, don't you think? Apparently Doherty did not think so.
As a HOF coach once told me, 'match-ups go both ways.' Just b/c you have height, doesn't mean it's worth a damn, and won't be exploited by quicks. Those Houston teams had speed, tons of it. I'm not defending Doh, but you search for matchup to get the tempo in your favor. If Fall and Rack couldn't handle Houston, the only option is to go another way
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.â€- Jalen Jones
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by George S. Patton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:30 pm
Well, if someone could tell me what exactly what kind of offense we want to commit to that would help. At times, it seems like we're making this up as we go along.
Note on Papa Dia (Yes, he is my punching bag): If he was just a poor man's Damion James, do you know how good he could be? I've always thought he was capable of becoming that type of player. Instead, he doesn't want to work at his game.
Oh, well. I'm sure his handler is telling him that he's the victim and none of these issues are his fault.
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by MustangIcon » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:39 pm
George S. Patton wrote:Well, if someone could tell me what exactly what kind of offense we want to commit to that would help. At times, it seems like we're making this up as we go along.
Note on Papa Dia (Yes, he is my punching bag): If he was just a poor man's Damion James, do you know how good he could be? I've always thought he was capable of becoming that type of player. Instead, he doesn't want to work at his game.
Oh, well. I'm sure his handler is telling him that he's the victim and none of these issues are his fault.
Damion James at Texas? I don't think that is the best comparison for Papa. I don't have a better one off hand but I will think on it. However, I do agree that Dia has not built on the promise he showed his freshman year. But, he is still only half way through his soph season. I think he will be a serious player before it is all said and done.
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by papawasamustang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:58 pm
PonyDoh wrote:papawasamustang wrote:FriscoPMG wrote:papawasamustang wrote:As far as the recession goes, I'm sure the AD is looking @ ways to reduce costs.
Based on Doh's blogs, it sounds like this team is chartering pretty regularly now, so I don't think the spending has slowed there. Yes, in yesterday's case the charter came in very useful with the weather here, but it still blows my mind how much is being spent on this lowly program now. I know this is beating a dead horse, but considering the tight budgets under Copeland vs. this free spending under Orsini, it makes the lack of success on the field even more embarrassing & an even bigger failure. Instead of taking guarantee games during this 3-4 yr rebuilding process and at least making a little money while we suffer, we're instead spoiling this program and treating it like this Top 25 team that we're all dreaming about. Sounds like a very poorly run athletic department to me... And the excuse for chartering is so the kids can be back in time for their Thursday morning classes after a Wed night game...yet for some reason this isn't important for the defending C-USA champions (women's team).
Those are really good points. BTW, here's a funny quote I read re: a game against UofH. They were questioning Doh's coaching in 07. What I have yet to figure out is why SMU coach Matt Doherty kept the "Bony Express" -- 7-1 Bamba Fall and 6-11 Dontatas Rackauskas -- nailed to the bench. Fall played just 13 minutes, while Rackauskas, who had been averaging 8.3 points and six rebounds, watched the entire game. When you have a height advantage like that, you have to figure out a way to exploit it, don't you think? Apparently Doherty did not think so.
As a HOF coach once told me, 'match-ups go both ways.' Just b/c you have height, doesn't mean it's worth a damn, and won't be exploited by quicks. Those Houston teams had speed, tons of it. I'm not defending Doh, but you search for matchup to get the tempo in your favor. If Fall and Rack couldn't handle Houston, the only option is to go another way
Doh is following the pattern again with our new outstanding recruit, the big JO, His coach doesn't play him against good HS players either so I guess we won't see JO playing against the Coogs. Makes perfect sense to me.
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by George S. Patton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:44 pm
MustangIcon wrote:George S. Patton wrote:Well, if someone could tell me what exactly what kind of offense we want to commit to that would help. At times, it seems like we're making this up as we go along.
Note on Papa Dia (Yes, he is my punching bag): If he was just a poor man's Damion James, do you know how good he could be? I've always thought he was capable of becoming that type of player. Instead, he doesn't want to work at his game.
Oh, well. I'm sure his handler is telling him that he's the victim and none of these issues are his fault.
Damion James at Texas? I don't think that is the best comparison for Papa. I don't have a better one off hand but I will think on it. However, I do agree that Dia has not built on the promise he showed his freshman year. But, he is still only half way through his soph season. I think he will be a serious player before it is all said and done.
I hope you are right about Dia. He is the mystery candidate on this team. I recognize there are sophomore slumps. But something has to shake. Ultimately, he will have to decide how good he wants to be and ask himself if he is willing to work to reach that point.
Without some sort of makeover from him and if this staff does not address the low block in May, you can pretty much expect a lot of issues in the post for 2009-2010.
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by EastStang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:58 pm
General, in basketball, you don't commit to a single offense. It depends on your opponent and what schemes they run. If they are tall and run a zone, you probably have to run a perimeter offense with a lot of passing. If they run a man, you probably run a motion offense with lots of picks. If they are short and run a zone, you probably do a lot of drive and dish plays. Each of these offenses depends of course on your team's ability to run them as well.
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by George S. Patton » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:04 pm
EastStang wrote:General, in basketball, you don't commit to a single offense. It depends on your opponent and what schemes they run. If they are tall and run a zone, you probably have to run a perimeter offense with a lot of passing. If they run a man, you probably run a motion offense with lots of picks. If they are short and run a zone, you probably do a lot of drive and dish plays. Each of these offenses depends of course on your team's ability to run them as well.
I understand all that. Maybe my post did not the make the point I hoped. I'll just say that we are not a consistent offensive team. And the level of execution this year -- from the games I have watched on TV and in person (1 game) -- leaves a lot to be desired.
Thus, you have 6-11.
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by papawasamustang » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:23 pm
I remember the 1st baskeball publication I picked up & read this year talked about Doh being on the hot seat.
Here's another article that I agree with.
T2. Matt Doherty - When the word Matt Doherty enters our brains here at Coaches Hot Seat the first image that flashes before our eyes is a tough and gritty basketball player at North Carolina. That image is never going to change, unless Matt Doherty changes it himself by proving that he can coach the game of basketball. Matt has the energy, he has the passion, he has the knowledge, but as Paul “Bearâ€
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by papawasamustang » Thu Jan 29, 2009 10:25 am
Anthony Grant @ VCU or Russ Springmann @ UT would be my top 2 choices.
I know, why would they want to come here?
I don't know, why did JJ come here?
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