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Postby NastyStang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:08 am

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Postby Mustangsabu » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:11 am

I trust JJ, but this could be interesting.
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Postby ozfan » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:29 am

Mustangsabu wrote:I trust JJ, but this could be interesting.


As long as they are getting marginal players ships at other schools when they cut them for assumed better players ok but lets be up front about it and not smear players names. I doubt all the players cut had three strikes as per JJ rules of misconduct or breach of team policies.
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Postby ponyte » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:25 am

One sees this all the time when folks get the ax. And it isn't limited to just in athletics. It may not have been three violations. It may have been one. There are certain rules that get an instant dismissal. And usually, the athletic department (or other agency) can't discuss the details in public (pesky laws and what not).

I am aware of many a physician that losses hospital privileges. All publicly proclaim shock and innocents knowing the true cannot be made public. And their dismissal is well earned.

He plans to appeal to a non athletic entity. We shall see what becomes of his case.
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Postby jtstang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:14 am

The guy says in the article that he did not have a single strike, but who cares? What happened to the good old days when you could cut a player just because he sucked?
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Postby BUS » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:26 am

Scholarships are renewed annually. If a player is not progressing or has an attitude - " Here is you bus ticket home"

If SMU is going to be serious about sports... we need to encourage player development.

To me.... players that do not get with the program, opt out of their scholarship.

I hope that if this player is serious about academics, he can get some financial aid.

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Postby jkflamebo » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:35 am

jtstang wrote:The guy says in the article that he did not have a single strike, but who cares? What happened to the good old days when you could cut a player just because he sucked?

i think this is what it's all about and should be about. if you're not good enough, you're gone
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Postby NavyCrimson » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:39 am

Bus - you're right on!!! :idea:

All schools that win cut players much like in the business world. If you DON'T PRODUCE - YOU'RE OUT.

The only exceptions are the gov't & the education system including colleges & universities & that speaks for itself!
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Postby Billy Joe » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:21 am

Let's be honest. There are a lot of football players on the team that are not Div. 1-A material. There were too many of Bennett's recruits that had SMU as the only Div 1-A offer. There is a reason this program has sucked for 20 plus years. It is time to upgrade the talent on the team. Good riddance.
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Postby Stallion » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:48 am

College sports-all college sports-is heading in the wrong direction in so many ways. Just when they make great strides in the Progress Toward Degree area we now have Coaches revoking clear offers to attend universities mere days before signing date leaving student athletes without a fair chance to get another offer, wholesale cutting of players for athletic reasons, we've got rules never mentioned in the NCAA Manual such as greyshirting which are simply ways of warehousing players, we've got rules on scholarship limitations which are largely ignored so teams can sign 30-40 players a year despite an 25/85 man limitation. The NCAA and most of its member schools are a lot less worried about Progress Toward Degrees and graduating players than they are about winning football games. I think the pendalum has started swinging a bit too far away from the players. Just wondering who speaks on behalf of the interests of the student athlete-it certainly is not the NCAA with their largely irrelevant Progress Toward a Degree which is a sham designerd to make what is going on more palatable to the general public.
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Postby Mexmustang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:53 am

Basically I agree with most of the comments, "trim dead wood", get rid of the marginal player, etc. But, if he really was a decent student, never breaking the rules, he should not be part of a press release the clearly suggests he lost his scholarship for violation of team rules. Being a marginal player that should be cut, is a fair reason to not renew a scholarship, but not a reason to claim he broke team rules.
Does anyone have any knowledge of his behavior? Or was he just not Div 1 matterial?
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Postby The PonyGrad » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:55 am

Stallion wrote:College sports-all college sports-is heading in the wrong direction in so many ways. Just when they make great strides in the Progress Toward Degree area we now have Coaches revoking clear offers to attend universities mere days before signing date leaving student athletes without a fair chance to get another offer, wholesale cutting of players for athletic reasons, we've got rules never mentioned in the NCAA Manual such as greyshirting which are simply ways of warehousing players, we've got rules on scholarship limitations which are largely ignored so teams can sign 30-40 players a year despite an 85 man limitation. The NCAA and most of its member schools are a lot less worried about Progress Toward Degrees and graduating players than they are about winning football games. I think the pendalum has started swinging a bit too far away from the players. Just wondering who speaks on behalf of the interests of the student athlete-it certainly is not the NCAA with their largely irrelevant Progress Toward a Degree which is a sham designerd to make what is going on more palitable to the general public.


Aren't you the same guy that has been whining for years about changing the model? About getting partial qualifiers...

The NCAA needs to clean this up but until then the playing field is laid out for those who think they want to compete.
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Postby Mexmustang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:59 am

Seems to me if you want to change the model, you have to embrace the whole model, do just as the big boys do and not look back. Increasing the scholarship limit will just allow the big boys to inventory all the top players, leaving Baylor, Tech, OSU, TCU and SMU fighting over marginal players.
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Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:01 am

Dear Jordan,

Thanks for sucking every dime out of that 40K a year scholarship and producing about as much as I did to SMU football. Check that, I'm in the Mustang Club and a season ticket holder so I probably contributed more. Thanks alot, and BUH BYE.

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Postby Stallion » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:03 am

I've never argued that SMU should take partial or non-qualifiers-I've been quite clear about that. Notice I didn't even mention SMU in my post. I've always taken the position that SMU should be in the forefront in proposing NCAA reforms-I just don't think SMU should become a martyr in doing so. I have no problem with SMU as long as they follow NCAA rules. (However I don't think you will find too many examples of a school not renewing 10 scholarships in a single season-but they followed NCAA guidelines in doing so). My observation was not directed toward SMU any more than it was directed to most other schools. There are many economistist who have observed that reducing Captal Gain Tax Rates has a long term negative effect of concentrating too much wealth in the upper class-that doesn't mean those same economisit don't take advantage of the same lower tax rates when they file their own taxes.
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