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Postby jtstang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:32 am

StallionsModelT wrote:Dear Jordan,

Thanks for sucking every dime out of that 40K a year scholarship and producing about as much as I did to SMU football. Check that, I'm in the Mustang Club and a season ticket holder so I probably contributed more. Thanks alot, and BUH BYE.

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What an unmitigated jack@ss you are.
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Postby Mexmustang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:36 am

I am not sure now what you are proposing? Non-qualifiers? Capital Gains Tax?

If you are suggesting that teams like Texas having the worst graduating records, year in and out should lose a significant number of scholarships as a result, then I agree. Set a standard, say 75%, if Texas graduates only 50%, let them lose 33% of the new scholarship awards the next year.

But obviously this is a very naive position and won't ever happen. If it does, then there will be a new school formed and financed, the "Darrell Royal School of Basket Weaving and Navel Studies" ensuring graduation.

Football is all about accumulating power and money, beginning with the BCS monopoly. Great place to start. But, college president don't have the character to address these issues. Their primary job is to raise money, not make boosters mad.
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Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:40 am

Lighten up Francis.

Hopefully the kid goes on and becomes successful with whatever he does. I truly hope he does. But the fact of the matter is we had several guys on this team that just didn't give a sh*t about winning or doing the things it takes to win. At the Signing Day event I talked to someone very close to the team that there was going to be a shake-up. He said we've got about 15 guys that are content to be buried on the depth chart, skate by, take that 120K scholarship, and be on their merry way. I'm sorry but screw 'em. They can take that act somewhere else. We are trying to change a CULTURE of accepting losing and a losers mentality. But you wouldn't really know about changing those things b/c you're not really a fan, just an observer. But hey, lets give the kids a pat on the back and invite them over for lemonade and cookies. They've earned it.
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Postby jtstang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:47 am

Whatever, it takes a real loser to make an unwarranted public personal attack on a player for the team of which he purports to be a fan. It's a good thing everybody already knows you are irrelevant from your prior postings.
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Postby ozfan » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:52 am

Stallion wrote:College sports-all college sports-is heading in the wrong direction in so many ways. Just when they make great strides in the Progress Toward Degree area we now have Coaches revoking clear offers to attend universities mere days before signing date leaving student athletes without a fair chance to get another offer, wholesale cutting of players for athletic reasons, we've got rules never mentioned in the NCAA Manual such as greyshirting which are simply ways of warehousing players, we've got rules on scholarship limitations which are largely ignored so teams can sign 30-40 players a year despite an 25/85 man limitation. The NCAA and most of its member schools are a lot less worried about Progress Toward Degrees and graduating players than they are about winning football games. I think the pendalum has started swinging a bit too far away from the players. Just wondering who speaks on behalf of the interests of the student athlete-it certainly is not the NCAA with their largely irrelevant Progress Toward a Degree which is a sham designerd to make what is going on more palatable to the general public.


I must agree with you on this. Most schools have taken the word student out of the phase student athletic. The degree most get now is of the easy course type. Most players now must spend about 4 to 6 hours a day on football matters just to be able to compete at their position. The required time for study for most major degrees is just not available. I wonder how many of SMU player will be majoring in business, computer science etc in five years.
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Postby smupony94 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:52 am

StallionsModelT wrote:Lighten up Francis.

Hopefully the kid goes on and becomes successful with whatever he does. I truly hope he does. But the fact of the matter is we had several guys on this team that just didn't give a sh*t about winning or doing the things it takes to win. At the Signing Day event I talked to someone very close to the team that there was going to be a shake-up. He said we've got about 15 guys that are content to be buried on the depth chart, skate by, take that 120K scholarship, and be on their merry way. I'm sorry but screw 'em. They can take that act somewhere else. We are trying to change a CULTURE of accepting losing and a losers mentality. But you wouldn't really know about changing those things b/c you're not really a fan, just an observer. But hey, lets give the kids a pat on the back and invite them over for lemonade and cookies. They've earned it.



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Postby mrydel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:58 am

All the kid said is that he broke no rules or policies and wanted his name cleared. He did not say he was the best player and deserved to be playing every day. He just wants the record clear. I support him on that if it is true and wish him the best. I thank him for being a Mustang and trying to help the team even if he lacked in talent, effort, or anything else. He is a member of the fraternity of former players that were selected by coaches to play for the team. Unfortunately he did not meet the standards of the new staff and has not been renewed. I personally wish him and all of the others the best in their future endeavors. I doubt very seriously that any of them purposely tried to bring the program down to the level it became.

I support Coach Jones in what he is doing to improve the product on the field, but there is no reason whatsoever to ridicule a young kid for merely accepting a scholarship to SMU and trying to play football.
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Postby Junior » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:Dear Jordan,

Thanks for sucking every dime out of that 40K a year scholarship and producing about as much as I did to SMU football. Check that, I'm in the Mustang Club and a season ticket holder so I probably contributed more. Thanks alot, and BUH BYE.

Love,

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Postby Mexmustang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:03 pm

Well said, Mrydel.
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Postby mathman » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:07 pm

StallionsModelT wrote:Lighten up Francis.

Hopefully the kid goes on and becomes successful with whatever he does. I truly hope he does. But the fact of the matter is we had several guys on this team that just didn't give a sh*t about winning or doing the things it takes to win. At the Signing Day event I talked to someone very close to the team that there was going to be a shake-up. He said we've got about 15 guys that are content to be buried on the depth chart, skate by, take that 120K scholarship, and be on their merry way. I'm sorry but screw 'em. They can take that act somewhere else. We are trying to change a CULTURE of accepting losing and a losers mentality. But you wouldn't really know about changing those things b/c you're not really a fan, just an observer. But hey, lets give the kids a pat on the back and invite them over for lemonade and cookies. They've earned it.


You have to know you were out of line when you said what you did. Really no reason to say something like that. If I were the kid and had kept my nose clean, I wouldn't want to be included in a blanket condemnation of a group of players. As far as JT not being a fan. Not true. I have given him as much grief on this board as anyone and don't agree with some of the things he says but he is a fan. Even if he bums his football tickets from Mrydel.
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Postby 03Mustang » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:15 pm

jtstang wrote:Whatever, it takes a real loser to make an unwarranted public personal attack on a player for the team of which he purports to be a fan. It's a good thing everybody already knows you are irrelevant from your prior postings.


Yep. If you're going to be irrelevant, at least try to be a master of comedy like jtstang :wink:
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Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:20 pm

My anger comes from watching kids that couldn't give a rats [deleted] about winning ball games or trying to build something whine to a newspaper that coach isn't being fair. Wah wah wah...
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Postby ponyte » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:21 pm

I am a bit torn over this. If a kid has an academic scholarship and fails to maintain the standards set to retain that scholarship, then they lose the scholarship. Why should athletes be held to a different standard?

Also, I don't believe they kicked him out of school. The same would be true of an academic scholar. They may lose their scholarship but remain in school.

The kid will get a hearing. Jones hasn't demonstrated to me that he runs an operation in an arbitrary and capricious manner. So allow the process to work and see what happens.
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Postby StallionsModelT » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:26 pm

I doubt this is the last of the purge. I was told 15 to 20 guys (mostly upperclassmen) haven't really bought into the new regime and are just "getting by" was the quote I was given. I understand accountability isn't something SMU fans are used to in the post DP era.
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Postby Corp » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:28 pm

Stallion wrote:College sports-all college sports-is heading in the wrong direction in so many ways. Just when they make great strides in the Progress Toward Degree area we now have Coaches revoking clear offers to attend universities mere days before signing date leaving student athletes without a fair chance to get another offer, wholesale cutting of players for athletic reasons, we've got rules never mentioned in the NCAA Manual such as greyshirting which are simply ways of warehousing players, we've got rules on scholarship limitations which are largely ignored so teams can sign 30-40 players a year despite an 25/85 man limitation. The NCAA and most of its member schools are a lot less worried about Progress Toward Degrees and graduating players than they are about winning football games. I think the pendalum has started swinging a bit too far away from the players. Just wondering who speaks on behalf of the interests of the student athlete-it certainly is not the NCAA with their largely irrelevant Progress Toward a Degree which is a sham designerd to make what is going on more palatable to the general public.


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