Jordan Johnson not happy...

[CA Mustang]

He is getting paid (scholarship) to contribute to the team. When he can no longer contribute enough to be worth keeping, nothing wrong with letting him go.

Are we talking about college football or the NFL? I guess after the Turk finishes his work at Valley Ranch, you want him to stop by the Hilltop.

[Big Easy Pony]

This is such a non-story. I feel for the guys who have given their blood and sweat for the Ponies and now have to find another place to play and go to school. But I expect this story, like all disagreements, has two sides. But when you're getting paid to go to school, it IS a business, and this happens throughout the SEC, ACC, Pac-10, Big 12, etc. There is nothing here to suggest the school did anything wrong, other than a handful of players who feel jilted. Good luck to all of them.

[ozfan]

I guess the big deal is that Jones says the cuts were for violation of team rules, etc., and this kid says he had no "strikes" under the Jones system. Somebody is lying. If it is Jones, then this is the latest big lie told by the SMU athletic department to the media in recent years, on the heels of the bald faced lies told by Copeland during the burgers and Cheer fiasco. I guess the point is this--if a kid can't cut it on the team, just say so. Don't make up some lie and get called on it because it just drags the whole program down. And if the kid is the one lying, then he's just making himself look bad.

You nailed it JT.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

"I guess the big deal is that Jones says the cuts were for violation of team rules, etc., and this kid says he had no "strikes" under the Jones system. Somebody is lying. if a kid can't cut it on the team, just say so. Don't make up some lie and get called on it because it just drags the whole program down"

How do other schools handle this? Does Mack Brown as jtstang says should be done not "lie" , tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth and say "well son you suck and you're gone"?

We certainly want to do this in a "Top 25" way, my question is how do most Top 25 teams run players off?

[jtstang]

If I had to guess, I'd say Mack calls the guy in and says you're not cutting it. Good luck.

[jtstang]

BTW, another kid is complaining. Orsini says in today's paper that the 3-strike system is not the only disciplinary system in use by Jones, there is an "efforts and attitude" standerd, and under that Jones has subjective discretion to run a kid off if the kid is not "helping the team move forward"....

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 48ee6.html

I have no problem whatsoever with this. I would only say it should have been communicated better in the first place.

[Insane_Pony_Posse]

"I'd say Mack calls the guy in and says you're not cutting it.
Good luck"

jtstang.....honest question....if it were really that easy, then
why, why wouldn't June Jones and Team Orsini do that?

There must be more to the story & or regulations about this subject.

[mrydel]

I would be interested in one of our young, astute posters doing an unbiased analysis on any relation to the positions of the players cut and the strength of existing or incoming players at the same position. This might give an idea as to whether it was selective or merely the top nine kids that had some sort of institutional problem. In other words if Bo Levi, Braden Smith and Padron were all caught violating rules for the umpteenth time, would they all go together?

(It is ok if some old farts analyze too)

[jtstang]

"I'd say Mack calls the guy in and says you're not cutting it.
Good luck"

jtstang.....honest question....if it were really that easy, then
why, why wouldn't June Jones and Team Orsini do that?

There must be more to the story & or regulations about this subject.

Honest answer-because Mack wins and can do what he wants and the athletic department backs him. Besides, what regulation can there be that says you can't tell the truth?

Caveat-I don't know that Mack does it that way, but it's not hard to imagine.

[couch 'em]

He is getting paid (scholarship) to contribute to the team. When he can no longer contribute enough to be worth keeping, nothing wrong with letting him go.

Are we talking about college football or the NFL? I guess after the Turk finishes his work at Valley Ranch, you want him to stop by the Hilltop.

Do you want to play top level winning football, or do you want to drop to DIII? Football is about WINNING.

Unrelated: Was it you that was angry because SMU wasn't sharing the Bush library with UofD?

[One Trick Pony]

As far as i'm concerned Jones can burn them at the stake. As long as we win!!!!!!!!!

[CA Mustang]

He is getting paid (scholarship) to contribute to the team. When he can no longer contribute enough to be worth keeping, nothing wrong with letting him go.

Are we talking about college football or the NFL? I guess after the Turk finishes his work at Valley Ranch, you want him to stop by the Hilltop.

Do you want to play top level winning football, or do you want to drop to DIII?

I want to see winning program as well. Is bringing the Turk to SMU the way to do it?

But you are getting ahead of yourself. This program needs to be able to win 5 - 7 games consistently before you can start talking about top level.

BTW, who is advocating dropping down to D-III?

Football is about WINNING.

What sport isn't about winning?

Unrelated: Was it you that was angry because SMU wasn't sharing the Bush library with UofD?

Nope, that was someone else.

[GoRedGoBlue]

Scholarships are renewed annually. If a player is not progressing or has an attitude - " Here is you bus ticket home"

If SMU is going to be serious about sports... we need to encourage player development.

To me.... players that do not get with the program, opt out of their scholarship.

I hope that if this player is serious about academics, he can get some financial aid.

Go Mustangs.

This is a new policy. Used to be, once on scholarship, always on scholarship at SMU.

Even if you suck and won't ever see the field, if you put forth the effort and show a desire to help the team, say for example on practice squad or scout team, or even in the weight room or breaking down film, then I would still think that, even under the new policy, SMU would keep you around -- that is, if you are HELPING the team get better.

[ALEX LIFESON]

There are guys currently on this team that are not D1 quality, but, if they do everything thats asked of them, and work their tail off, they can still have a spot on the team, even if they suck as a player

[Stallion]

I think I agree with that comment-because if this were just suckiness I think I have a list of about 5-8 more that should be on the list. I have a feeling some of those will be on their way-one way or another in the near future too.