Doherty needs to go

[LA_Mustang]

(give him a mulligan for year one)

why?

he can and will turn this thing.

what are you basing this on? give us legit reasons other than you like the guy.....

the students love him (at least they show up for hoops..)

Thanks.....I needed a good laugh

[Hoop Fan]

Doh is a class act...the students love him (at least they show up for hoops..), he has a young squad and in only his third season (give him a mulligan for year one), he can and will turn this thing. I like the guy..gives the program some "street cread"...optimistic about the future. Changing horses now makes zero sense..think it through fellas....

Thanks Mrs. Doh. Street cread? You want street cred, that ain't Doh. Don't confuse having a name some people recognize who watched college hoops 25 years ago with street cred. The kids today couldnt care less that the guy carried MJs jock back in the day. Guys with street cred don't wave their arms and stomp their feet to get players attention during games. Doh might have "rich booster cred" with the guys who buy into HP starbucks talk and hankerchiefs in the pocket .

[Hoop Fan]

Doh is a class act...the students love him (at least they show up for hoops..)

Are you kidding? Student attendance at bball is terrible. 2 dozen people in their greek shirts is not a student section. 8-10 years ago when Dement had us competitive there were 5X more students at every game and they would actually wear the red Mustang Maniacs shirts.

yep. Surely some of you realize the only greeks there are the pledge classes that are forced to attend games by their houses. Not only that, there is only one sorority and one fraternity set up to attend each game. Its like they rotate the obligation and the chance to wear their greek colors front and center so they get the credit for being there. Its something , but its not support or affection for the coach.

[bagice]

To be fair, I think Doherty has reached out to the students more than any other coach has in a while. I think it is a class act how when he first enters the arena, he shakes the hands and talks to all the big time boosters, the cheerleaders and dance squad and the band and always makes an effort to visit with the students.

Granted, it really hasn't made much difference in the attendance for the students, but he is planting the seeds If we can start winning, they will be back.

[SoCal_Pony]

To say that we will improve dramatically next year is to say that Dia and Faye will improve dramatically. Personally, that is a bet I would not make.

Do not like the Julius signing at all.

We were 1st in turnovers per game and next to last in assists, last in FT% and next to last in PPG.

I also 100% agree with Hoop, unless we can snag a “JJâ€

[Hoop Fan]

To be fair, I think Doherty has reached out to the students more than any other coach has in a while. I think it is a class act how when he first enters the arena, he shakes the hands and talks to all the big time boosters, the cheerleaders and dance squad and the band and always makes an effort to visit with the students.

Granted, it really hasn't made much difference in the attendance for the students, but he is planting the seeds If we can start winning, they will be back.

Dement reached out to the students too, and in fact did a more effective job of it too because they wore red mustang maniacs Ts, afros in tribute to Sasser etc...

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[quote="SoCal_Pony"]To say that we will improve dramatically next year is to say that Dia and Faye will improve dramatically. Personally, that is a bet I would not make.

Do not like the Julius signing at all.

We were 1st in turnovers per game and next to last in assists, last in FT% and next to last in PPG.

I also 100% agree with Hoop, unless we can snag a “JJâ€

[MustangIcon]

To be fair, I think Doherty has reached out to the students more than any other coach has in a while. I think it is a class act how when he first enters the arena, he shakes the hands and talks to all the big time boosters, the cheerleaders and dance squad and the band and always makes an effort to visit with the students.

Granted, it really hasn't made much difference in the attendance for the students, but he is planting the seeds If we can start winning, they will be back.

Dement reached out to the students too, and in fact did a more effective job of it too because they wore red mustang maniacs Ts, afros in tribute to Sasser etc...

Dement did a good job of reaching out to the students. He had much more success with it bc the product on the court was a lot better. SMU student attendance has been on a steady decline since I started following the program. Coincidently, so has the quality of SMU's basketball team. The decline started under Dement, accelerated under Tubbs, and has hit rock bottom under Doherty. Attendance has dwindled and it makes sense. At some point you have to have something to sell. That is Doherty's job and if he doesn't have a quality team to sell next season, it may not be his job for much longer.

In defense of Tubbs he also made an attempt to reach out to students. It just wasn't given near the importance or priority by Tubbs that either Dement or Doherty placed on it.

[SoCal_Pony]

Icon,

By all accounts I have read he is a 'project'.

That is the last thing Doh or SMU needs right now.

[LA_Mustang]

I've only seen brief clips of Julius so cannot really judge much. However, Scouts Inc. likes the Julius signing and TCU, who has been lauded on this board for their recruiting of late, liked him enough to offer as well.

Julius may very well be a nice pick up but we are a team in desperate need of a 2 guard who can create his own shot and score, therefore it is a strange pick for our one ship.....although I realize we will likely have others leave for whatever reason.

[Stallion]

So if Doherty comes up with PF or Center and a SG in the late signing period that gives us immediate help-JUST LIKE HE DID AT THE BIGGEST NEED LAST YEAR at Guard with Williams and McCoy-you guys think there is no way SMU can improve much next year. It might be tough-I'll admit but he deserves a shot. BTW the biggest upside potential I see is probably Nykundi-a 6-8 forward who can shoot. But he has a nucleus in McCoy, Williams, Muhammad and Nykundi that I think might show some significant improvement. His job is to motivate and coach Dia and add in the late signees at SG and PF or C and turn it around. Ideally those new guys would be JUCOs giving us an upperclassmen team for the first time since Doc Hayes. (joke) If he doesn't then his tenure deserves some close scrunity. He is going to get his shot so as Clayton Williams would say Might as well just sit back and enjoy it. I personally think he's going to need a quality JUCO recruiting Class to get the job done.

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So if Doherty comes up with PF or Center and a SG in the late signing period that gives us immediate help-JUST LIKE HE DID AT THE BIGGEST NEED LAST YEAR at Guard with Williams and McCoy-you guys think there is no way SMU can improve much next year. It might be tough-I'll admit but he deserves a shot. BTW the biggest upside potential I see is probably Nykundi-a 6-8 forward who can shoot. But he has a nucleus in McCoy, Williams, Muhammad and Nykundi that I think might show some significant improvement. His job is to motivate and coach Dia and add in the late signees at SG and PF or C and turn it around. Ideally those new guys would be JUCOs giving us an upperclassmen team for the first time since Doc Hayes. (joke) If he doesn't then his tenure deserves some close scrunity. He is going to get his shot so as Clayton Williams would say Might as well just sit back and enjoy it. I personally think he's going to need a quality JUCO recruiting Class to get the job done.

Logical post. I agree with you in a lot of respects.

The following players just completed their 1st season on the floor for SMU:
McCoy(fr)- 13ppg/4rpg/3a
Williams (jr)- 13/3/4
Nayakundi (fr)- 6/3/0
Faye (jr)- 10/5/1
Haynes (fr)- 7/3/1 in the last 3 games this year in 20 min per game

The wildcard:
Dia (so)- 5/4 in an AWFUL season playing 16 mpg. as a freshman he was 10/7 in 24 mpg. he could very easily return to that level next year.

Add those 6 guys to another Williams'esque (impact wise) JUCO addition and glue guys like Walker/Harp/Otis and I think you may very well have something. Whether it works out or not, I am not sure, but I don't see how you can say there is no hope for improvement.

[Hoop Fan]

So if Doherty comes up with PF or Center and a SG in the late signing period that gives us immediate help-JUST LIKE HE DID AT THE BIGGEST NEED LAST YEAR at Guard with Williams and McCoy-you guys think there is no way SMU can improve much next year. It might be tough-I'll admit but he deserves a shot. BTW the biggest upside potential I see is probably Nykundi-a 6-8 forward who can shoot. But he has a nucleus in McCoy, Williams, Muhammad and Nykundi that I think might show some significant improvement. His job is to motivate and coach Dia and add in the late signees at SG and PF or C and turn it around. Ideally those new guys would be JUCOs giving us an upperclassmen team for the first time since Doc Hayes. (joke) If he doesn't then his tenure deserves some close scrunity. He is going to get his shot so as Clayton Williams would say Might as well just sit back and enjoy it. I personally think he's going to need a quality JUCO recruiting Class to get the job done.

Logical post. I agree with you in a lot of respects.

The following players just completed their 1st season on the floor for SMU:
McCoy(fr)- 13ppg/4rpg/3a
Williams (jr)- 13/3/4
Nayakundi (fr)- 6/3/0
Faye (jr)- 10/5/1
Haynes (fr)- 7/3/1 in the last 3 games this year in 20 min per game

The wildcard:
Dia (so)- 5/4 in an AWFUL season playing 16 mpg. as a freshman he was 10/7 in 24 mpg. he could very easily return to that level next year.

Add those 6 guys to another Williams'esque (impact wise) JUCO addition and glue guys like Walker/Harp/Otis and I think you may very well have something. Whether it works out or not, I am not sure, but I don't see how you can say there is no hope for improvement.

Its nice to say you hope to get a juco, but you have to yank a scholarship first. Maybe that happens but its a bit tricky and not a good thing to run kids off, especially ones you brought in to begin with. Second thing is this whole first year thing is a double edged sword. Williams and Faye are seniors next year, so next year are we gonna say, hey they are only in their second year at SMU...Whats the goal for next year? NIT? Think about that. Setting a goal of NIT sounds absurd.

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Its nice to say you hope to get a juco, but you have to yank a scholarship first. Maybe that happens but its a bit tricky and not a good thing to run kids off, especially ones you brought in to begin with. Second thing is this whole first year thing is a double edged sword. Williams and Faye are seniors next year, so next year are we gonna say, hey they are only in their second year at SMU...Whats the goal for next year? NIT? Think about that. Setting a goal of NIT sounds absurd.

Cort Hoge was brought to SMU as a walkon. Doherty wrote/spoke about him being a walkon along with Maag. We had a scholarship left over and no one we wanted to bring in. All the sudden Hoge is a scholarship player. It makes sense to me that the scholarship was a one-year loan being that Hoge had already committed to coming to play at SMU as a walkon. So right there we have that extra scholarship. That is without running anyone off.

Williams and Faye are both Juniors and its right that their last season at SMU will be next year. I understand that point and don't want to say they are "young" or "inexperienced" but when 4 of 5 starters (actually Nayakundi was an off and on starter, so 3.5) are in their first year together it might take some time to gel. The team really seems to be a lot better now than it was at the beggining of the year. With the whole core returning, minus Bamba, I expect that to continue.

My goal is a winning record overall and doubling our conference win total. These are goals that I am setting as a minimum for my expectations for this team. Should SMU fail to meet these goals, without some sort of catostrophic reason behind that, I will be very critical of the job the coaching staff has done. If our record next season ends up being close to what it was this year, I will be right behind the rest of you saying that the time has come for Doherty to move on. But, with what I have seen this year, I think that we might take a big step next season.

[MustangIcon]

Whats the goal for next year? NIT? Think about that. Setting a goal of NIT sounds absurd.

Absurd as in too lofty of a goal (I assume that is what you meant)? Or absurd as in a crappy, low bar goal (I hope that is not what you meant)?

Making a post season tournament next year, the following, or any year would be FANTASTIC for SMU. First time for postseason play since '99-'00 would it be?