Doherty needs to go

[LA_Mustang]

Doherty is here now, give him time, and he will get this done.

Again, bagice - what gives you so much confidence that he will? I still have not seen his ability to "coach the boys" in game situations to suggest he's a solid Xs and Os coach. His program defining class of 7 appears to be a complete swing and miss. And we have continued to regress in attendance (if that was possible?) - student body and in general.

Also, he is recruiting under the loosest restrictions since the DP but we are coming off a 9 win season with a lone project recruit coming in at this point. Until I see a couple of stud JUCO players sign, I will be very skeptical of next season and the future.

[bagice]

A fair question and obviously I cannot say for sure, but I think he gives us as good a shot as anybody that we can get in here.

When he came on board, the program was in shambles, a total bottom floor situation had to be completey torn down and started over.

I think he is one of the best in evaluating and developing talent. I think back to Ike and Killen, he stated early on that these guys were good and would become great players for SMU. Many SMU faithful just rolled their eyes when he said that Ike would have been a starter on any team he ever coached including UNC, considering he even rarely got into games up until Doherty took over.

He immediately saw their potential and brought it out.

Now, when Doherty says that Justin Haynes will become an SMU great, an all conference player before he is done, I have to listen. I saw what he did with Nyakundi, redshirted him and then brought him along, where he has real potential his last three years.

I saw us with no ball handlers at the end of last year, and he went out and got Paul McCoy, a real coup, and Williams, and immediately filled the weakness we were going to have.

By hook or crook, I think he will get who we need in here and develop the young players he now has.

We had a ton of close losses in conference play, we were 2-12 points short in most games. Many of those teams have good players out of eligibilty and we only lost one.

I see tremendous upside and think we are on the verge of a real breakthrough.

[LA_Mustang]

A fair question and obviously I cannot say for sure, but I think he gives us as good a shot as anybody that we can get in here.

When he came on board, the program was in shambles, a total bottom floor situation had to be completey torn down and started over.

I think he is one of the best in evaluating and developing talent. I think back to Ike and Killen, he stated early on that these guys were good and would become great players for SMU. Many SMU faithful just rolled their eyes when he said that Ike would have been a starter on any team he ever coached including UNC, considering he even rarely got into games up until Doherty took over.

He immediately saw their potential and brought it out.

Now, when Doherty says that Justin Haynes will become an SMU great, an all conference player before he is done, I have to listen. I saw what he did with Nyakundi, redshirted him and then brought him along, where he has real potential his last three years.

I saw us with no ball handlers at the end of last year, and he went out and got Paul McCoy, a real coup, and Williams, and immediately filled the weakness we were going to have.

By hook or crook, I think he will get who we need in here and develop the young players he now has.

We had a ton of close losses in conference play, we were 2-12 points short in most games. Many of those teams have good players out of eligibilty and we only lost one.

I see tremendous upside and think we are on the verge of a real breakthrough.

Thanks, bagice. That is the first time I've read where someone gives solid reasons and examples that Doherty has us going in the right direction.

I admit I'm very discouraged how his big recruiting class has turned out so far. I wish he would've got a couple of JUCOs in that class but you're right, the McCoy get was HUGE. And I'm hopeful he is working the JUCO trail to add a couple more players next year. I am such a big college hoops fan and I want us to at least be competitive and get to the Tulsa level. There’s really no reason we can’t.

[ponydawg]

I think if he can add at least one solid juco next year who has the same similar production that Williams did this year (13 ppg.) we will see signs of improvement. If we can get 2, all the better. If we can get 2 plus Dia comes back from vacation, then this is a completely different team!

I'm still pulling and betting that Doh gets it done here.

Last year he addressed the weakest part of the team and it became the most productive part of the team this year. Hopefully he can do it again!

[mathman]

I agree with L.A. about the initial class of 7. At first I thought it was a good idea and defended it against some critisim at the time. Now I have to say that they are right. I wish he had either got a couple of JUCO's along with them or just carried the scholies over to the next year.

I also have to agree with those who talk about his bench coaching. Although I think he has gotten better toward the end of the year, he still has a ways to go. He has got to get better at making adjustments during the game or it won't matter how good the recruits are that he brings in.

And lastly I agree with Stallion on his post in another thread. Now that the admissions problems have been taken care of and we are more or less on an even field, it is still going to take 4-5 years to bring both football and basketball up to where we wnat it.

[EastStang]

A JUCO would be great, but we don't have any schollies to offer unless someone leaves? Who is leaving?

[abezontar]

A JUCO would be great, but we don't have any schollies to offer unless someone leaves? Who is leaving?

whoever needs to I have no doubt that for the right recruits, we will find scholarships

[MustangIcon]

A JUCO would be great, but we don't have any schollies to offer unless someone leaves? Who is leaving?

Posted previously in this thread....

Cort Hoge was brought to SMU as a walkon. Doherty wrote/spoke about him being a walkon along with Maag. We had a scholarship left over and no one we wanted to bring in. All the sudden Hoge is a scholarship player. It makes sense to me that the scholarship was a one-year loan being that Hoge had already committed to coming to play at SMU as a walkon. So right there we have that extra scholarship. That is without running anyone off.

[MustangIcon]

Thanks, bagice. That is the first time I've read where someone gives solid reasons and examples that Doherty has us going in the right direction.

Bagice has made these same points numerous times. Generally the Doherty bashers are just too caught up in themselves to notice.

[LA_Mustang]

A JUCO would be great, but we don't have any schollies to offer unless someone leaves? Who is leaving?

Hoge was on scholarship this season but will go back as a walk-on and it has been rumored on this board that one or two more many be gone.

[LA_Mustang]

Bagice has made these same points numerous times. Generally the Doherty bashers are just too caught up in themselves to notice.

okay, but generally the Doherty blind supporters throw out comments that we are improving without any argument or points to back that claim

[EastStang]

For PoDunk State, walking on won't break the bank. To walk on at SMU, now you're talking $$$$, and the NCAA is pretty strict about making sure schools don't mess around with scholarship limits. Your typical quality player can't afford to walk on at SMU.

[MustangIcon]

For PoDunk State, walking on won't break the bank. To walk on at SMU, now you're talking $$$$, and the NCAA is pretty strict about making sure schools don't mess around with scholarship limits. Your typical quality player can't afford to walk on at SMU.

http://smumustangs.cstv.com/hoopsblog/b ... ry213.html

All of our players are here with two exceptions: Cort Hoge and Ryan Maag. Both of these young men are walk-ons, but I like to just consider them "players". Cort is a 6-10 post player from Oklahoma that can shoot and handle the ball. He has a big frame and will add depth at the post position. Cort was here for Summer One. Ryan is a point guard from Houston that is strong and can really shoot the ball. Ryan was here for orientation this week. I am excited that they decided to join our program because they will valuable assets in the development of our team.

Hoge was a walkon when he got here. He may in fact still be a walkon (not sure that anyone confirmed he received scholarship this season). He always intended to attend SMU as a walkon. If he received a scholarship this season, it appears to be bc we had one that we didn't use and gave him a loaner to keep it warm for this year.

[Stallion]

at least in the past you could generally pick up some decent JUCOs in the spring recruiting period-I just checked Rivals to consider whether that was the case and there are a pretty decent list of kids who are 3 Stars and above. Sometimes schools wait on JUCOS to see if they are going to qualify. BTW an old named popped up as one of the highest ranking unsigned JUCOs. Remember Gary Flowers a 6-8 Forward from Dallas Lincoln who considered SMU when Tubbs was here. Anybody know if he has got all his academic issues in place. I think he had multiple academic problems and or suspension issues in high school and at Oklahoma St. so he might not be availiable but who knows maybe he straightened himself out.

[smupony]

A fair question and obviously I cannot say for sure, but I think he gives us as good a shot as anybody that we can get in here.

When he came on board, the program was in shambles, a total bottom floor situation had to be completey torn down and started over.

I think he is one of the best in evaluating and developing talent. I think back to Ike and Killen, he stated early on that these guys were good and would become great players for SMU. Many SMU faithful just rolled their eyes when he said that Ike would have been a starter on any team he ever coached including UNC, considering he even rarely got into games up until Doherty took over.

He immediately saw their potential and brought it out.

Now, when Doherty says that Justin Haynes will become an SMU great, an all conference player before he is done, I have to listen. I saw what he did with Nyakundi, redshirted him and then brought him along, where he has real potential his last three years.

I saw us with no ball handlers at the end of last year, and he went out and got Paul McCoy, a real coup, and Williams, and immediately filled the weakness we were going to have.

By hook or crook, I think he will get who we need in here and develop the young players he now has.

We had a ton of close losses in conference play, we were 2-12 points short in most games. Many of those teams have good players out of eligibilty and we only lost one.

I see tremendous upside and think we are on the verge of a real breakthrough.

Agreed on all fronts. Still have problems with his gameday coaching, but most everything else fits. I like Coach Doh and hope he is here for a long time.