Is SMU no longer a "cool" school?

[RednBlue11]

I think the smoking ban in Dallas is awesome.

amen

[CalallenStang]

Red N. Blue...

You are the same guy who said the smoking ban has hurt Chicago bars...

I am not wearing rose colored glasses, simply stating the facts that you can look up in Princeton Reviews best colleges...

SMU students are more in the Tulane caliber than TCU....

It is actually harder to get into Baylor than TCU....They are not closing any gaps.

I also judge college education on those relationships...Otherwise why would one attend a private university. It is undeniable that it is harder to network at UT than SMU, and since the point of going to College is to get a job, I would think this is pretty important.

I would be curious to see avg. pay for college grads between UT and SMU. I would bet SMU is higher...thus justifying the extra cost to attend. It certainly will be higher than TCU.

SMU in the corporate world is gaining a lot of attention. Alumni are quickly moving up the corporate ladder and hiring new SMU students.

Most SMU students are adding MBAs and Graduate degrees from the top schools in the country...also a telling sign of an excellent university...

The big picture has SMU moving as rapidly as any other school into national relevance academically. I know this because I have seen how far it has advanced in the 7 years since I graduated.

The acceptance rates according to the U.S. News College Guide:

Tulane 44.4%
SMU 50.1%
TCU 48.9%
Baylor 44.0%

However, I wonder if Baylor's are even accurate since they have been caught manipulating SAT scores and bringing in marginal freshman early in the summer to skew their incoming fall class statistics.

None of those are accurate, but that's not really relevant for this conversation. What is relevant is the quality of the entering class, which is exceptionally difficult to quantify (SATs, GPAs, etc. are only part of the picture). In terms of quality of the entering classes, I would say that as of right now, of those 4 schools Tulane comes in first, SMU second, TCU third, and Baylor fourth.

I speak as someone who was admitted to all four of those schools within the past 2-3 years and was offered scholarships by all four as well (full rides to Tulane, SMU, and TCU). I dug deep into all four of those schools (along with others) and decided that SMU offered the best education for someone like me who wanted to study business.

[mrydel]

So we can say you got at least one BCS offer!!

[CalallenStang]

So we can say you got at least one BCS offer!!

LOL

[tristatecoog]

A 50% acceptance rate is down quite a bit from a handful of years ago. I like SMU's more national draw and believe that SMU is better than A&M and roughly equal to UT, but with more personal attention, ability to network, etc.

Since my kids will go to SMU, I hope Dr Turner stays a long time and the rep keeps improving.

Is TX Tech pulling from the Ole Miss crowd?

[Oldmins]

Lots about this I don't understand, but I do know that my niece was accepted at SMU and turned down at TCU. How could that be? Lord help us, she ended up an Aggy.

[untitled]

Lots about this I don't understand, but I do know that my niece was accepted at SMU and turned down at TCU. How could that be? Lord help us, she ended up an Aggy.

It's far from an exact science, apparently.

In 2001, I applied to three schools: UT, A&M, and SMU. I was accepted by UT and SMU, but I was turned down by A&M, my "safety" school.

[Oldmins]

Red N. Blue...

You are the same guy who said the smoking ban has hurt Chicago bars...

I am not wearing rose colored glasses, simply stating the facts that you can look up in Princeton Reviews best colleges...

SMU students are more in the Tulane caliber than TCU....

It is actually harder to get into Baylor than TCU....They are not closing any gaps.

I also judge college education on those relationships...Otherwise why would one attend a private university. It is undeniable that it is harder to network at UT than SMU, and since the point of going to College is to get a job, I would think this is pretty important.

I would be curious to see avg. pay for college grads between UT and SMU. I would bet SMU is higher...thus justifying the extra cost to attend. It certainly will be higher than TCU.

SMU in the corporate world is gaining a lot of attention. Alumni are quickly moving up the corporate ladder and hiring new SMU students.

Most SMU students are adding MBAs and Graduate degrees from the top schools in the country...also a telling sign of an excellent university...

The big picture has SMU moving as rapidly as any other school into national relevance academically. I know this because I have seen how far it has advanced in the 7 years since I graduated.

The acceptance rates according to the U.S. News College Guide:

Tulane 44.4%
SMU 50.1%
TCU 48.9%
Baylor 44.0%

However, I wonder if Baylor's are even accurate since they have been caught manipulating SAT scores and bringing in marginal freshman early in the summer to skew their incoming fall class statistics.

None of those are accurate, but that's not really relevant for this conversation. What is relevant is the quality of the entering class, which is exceptionally difficult to quantify (SATs, GPAs, etc. are only part of the picture). In terms of quality of the entering classes, I would say that as of right now, of those 4 schools Tulane comes in first, SMU second, TCU third, and Baylor fourth.

I speak as someone who was admitted to all four of those schools within the past 2-3 years and was offered scholarships by all four as well (full rides to Tulane, SMU, and TCU). I dug deep into all four of those schools (along with others) and decided that SMU offered the best education for someone like me who wanted to study business.

Add this to the many things I doubt in these days, that Callelen was offered scholarships to all four schools. Callelen, you must be about 20 years old, so how did you get so wise?

[CalallenStang]

Red N. Blue...

You are the same guy who said the smoking ban has hurt Chicago bars...

I am not wearing rose colored glasses, simply stating the facts that you can look up in Princeton Reviews best colleges...

SMU students are more in the Tulane caliber than TCU....

It is actually harder to get into Baylor than TCU....They are not closing any gaps.

I also judge college education on those relationships...Otherwise why would one attend a private university. It is undeniable that it is harder to network at UT than SMU, and since the point of going to College is to get a job, I would think this is pretty important.

I would be curious to see avg. pay for college grads between UT and SMU. I would bet SMU is higher...thus justifying the extra cost to attend. It certainly will be higher than TCU.

SMU in the corporate world is gaining a lot of attention. Alumni are quickly moving up the corporate ladder and hiring new SMU students.

Most SMU students are adding MBAs and Graduate degrees from the top schools in the country...also a telling sign of an excellent university...

The big picture has SMU moving as rapidly as any other school into national relevance academically. I know this because I have seen how far it has advanced in the 7 years since I graduated.

The acceptance rates according to the U.S. News College Guide:

Tulane 44.4%
SMU 50.1%
TCU 48.9%
Baylor 44.0%

However, I wonder if Baylor's are even accurate since they have been caught manipulating SAT scores and bringing in marginal freshman early in the summer to skew their incoming fall class statistics.

None of those are accurate, but that's not really relevant for this conversation. What is relevant is the quality of the entering class, which is exceptionally difficult to quantify (SATs, GPAs, etc. are only part of the picture). In terms of quality of the entering classes, I would say that as of right now, of those 4 schools Tulane comes in first, SMU second, TCU third, and Baylor fourth.

I speak as someone who was admitted to all four of those schools within the past 2-3 years and was offered scholarships by all four as well (full rides to Tulane, SMU, and TCU). I dug deep into all four of those schools (along with others) and decided that SMU offered the best education for someone like me who wanted to study business.

Add this to the many things I doubt in these days, that Callelen was offered scholarships to all four schools. Callelen, you must be about 20 years old, so how did you get so wise?

Actually, I had scholarship offers to other schools as well, but for the sake of the conversation, I won't mention those.

As far as "getting wise," two things:

1) I had parents who really stressed the value of an education from a young age, and helped to push me above and beyond. They also stressed hard work and self-application.
2) I had teachers who were, in my opinion, world-class.

That's it - nothing special. I was simply fortunate enough to live in an environment conducive to education.

[Oldmins]

Red N. Blue...

You are the same guy who said the smoking ban has hurt Chicago bars...

I am not wearing rose colored glasses, simply stating the facts that you can look up in Princeton Reviews best colleges...

SMU students are more in the Tulane caliber than TCU....

It is actually harder to get into Baylor than TCU....They are not closing any gaps.

I also judge college education on those relationships...Otherwise why would one attend a private university. It is undeniable that it is harder to network at UT than SMU, and since the point of going to College is to get a job, I would think this is pretty important.

I would be curious to see avg. pay for college grads between UT and SMU. I would bet SMU is higher...thus justifying the extra cost to attend. It certainly will be higher than TCU.

SMU in the corporate world is gaining a lot of attention. Alumni are quickly moving up the corporate ladder and hiring new SMU students.

Most SMU students are adding MBAs and Graduate degrees from the top schools in the country...also a telling sign of an excellent university...

The big picture has SMU moving as rapidly as any other school into national relevance academically. I know this because I have seen how far it has advanced in the 7 years since I graduated.

The acceptance rates according to the U.S. News College Guide:

Tulane 44.4%
SMU 50.1%
TCU 48.9%
Baylor 44.0%

However, I wonder if Baylor's are even accurate since they have been caught manipulating SAT scores and bringing in marginal freshman early in the summer to skew their incoming fall class statistics.

None of those are accurate, but that's not really relevant for this conversation. What is relevant is the quality of the entering class, which is exceptionally difficult to quantify (SATs, GPAs, etc. are only part of the picture). In terms of quality of the entering classes, I would say that as of right now, of those 4 schools Tulane comes in first, SMU second, TCU third, and Baylor fourth.

I speak as someone who was admitted to all four of those schools within the past 2-3 years and was offered scholarships by all four as well (full rides to Tulane, SMU, and TCU). I dug deep into all four of those schools (along with others) and decided that SMU offered the best education for someone like me who wanted to study business.

Add this to the many things I doubt in these days, that Callelen was offered scholarships to all four schools. Callelen, you must be about 20 years old, so how did you get so wise?

Actually, I had scholarship offers to other schools as well, but for the sake of the conversation, I won't mention those.

As far as "getting wise," two things:

1) I had parents who really stressed the value of an education from a young age, and helped to push me above and beyond. They also stressed hard work and self-application.
2) I had teachers who were, in my opinion, world-class.

That's it - nothing special. I was simply fortunate enough to live in an environment conducive to education.

Wow, Callalen, you're really something!

[CalallenStang]

Again, I'm no better than anyone else.

[tristatecoog]

Lots about this I don't understand, but I do know that my niece was accepted at SMU and turned down at TCU. How could that be? Lord help us, she ended up an Aggy.

Wow, chose Aggy over SMU? I assume due to the cost. And TCU was more selective? Does your niece live in Ft Worth? Maybe she goes to a school that had a lot of TCU acceptances. Wild.

[tristatecoog]

Calallen, what qualifies as a full ride? Full tuition or including R&B? Did you get a sense that Tulane was working hard to get its competitiveness back up after Katrina or that it hasn't missed a beat?

[RednBlue11]

Calallen, what qualifies as a full ride? Full tuition or including R&B? Did you get a sense that Tulane was working hard to get its competitiveness back up after Katrina or that it hasn't missed a beat?

the two highest scholarships at SMU are the presidential and the Hunt

Presidential = Tuition paid in full including R&B

Hunt = Equivalent of in-state tuition for wherever that individual is coming from and i believe (but i am not sure) R&B.

[Peruna2001]

Interesting article...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/062909dnmetcollegedreams.41de16b.html

It seems like a lot of Dallas kids are having to settle for UNT because of cost.