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by EastStang » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:57 pm
Gee, what happened to the First Amendment? Did we drop that from the Constitution when I wasn't looking? Campaign finance and spending limits limit political speech which is still a First Amendment right. Add in the "fairness doctrine" which limits freedom of the press and you kill the first amendment. The only thing to do is require full disclosure and once we see who is buying and paying for these politicians, then we can decide if we like their patrons. We know their getting paid, the question is who is paying them. Sort of like, do you want to play for Team Nike or Team Adidas for Amateur basketball? We know you're getting paid, but your still an amateur.
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by jtstang » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:24 pm
EastStang wrote:The only thing to do is require full disclosure and once we see who is buying and paying for these politicians, then we can decide if we like their patrons. We know their getting paid, the question is who is paying them.
Don't we have donor disclosures already?
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by abezontar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:29 pm
EastStang wrote:Gee, what happened to the First Amendment? Did we drop that from the Constitution when I wasn't looking? Campaign finance and spending limits limit political speech which is still a First Amendment right. Add in the "fairness doctrine" which limits freedom of the press and you kill the first amendment. The only thing to do is require full disclosure and once we see who is buying and paying for these politicians, then we can decide if we like their patrons. We know their getting paid, the question is who is paying them. Sort of like, do you want to play for Team Nike or Team Adidas for Amateur basketball? We know you're getting paid, but your still an amateur.
While SCOTUS precedent disagrees with me, I don't think that ensuring that every person running for office has the same opportunity to speak violates the First Amendment.
It won't matter a whit if we don't like who is paying one candidate if the other candidate is paid by the same people.
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by jtstang » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:05 pm
abezontar wrote:EastStang wrote:Gee, what happened to the First Amendment? Did we drop that from the Constitution when I wasn't looking? Campaign finance and spending limits limit political speech which is still a First Amendment right. Add in the "fairness doctrine" which limits freedom of the press and you kill the first amendment. The only thing to do is require full disclosure and once we see who is buying and paying for these politicians, then we can decide if we like their patrons. We know their getting paid, the question is who is paying them. Sort of like, do you want to play for Team Nike or Team Adidas for Amateur basketball? We know you're getting paid, but your still an amateur.
While SCOTUS precedent disagrees with me...
Wouldn't that opening phrase necessarily mean that every argument you make thereafter is wrong?
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by abezontar » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:48 pm
jtstang wrote:abezontar wrote:EastStang wrote:Gee, what happened to the First Amendment? Did we drop that from the Constitution when I wasn't looking? Campaign finance and spending limits limit political speech which is still a First Amendment right. Add in the "fairness doctrine" which limits freedom of the press and you kill the first amendment. The only thing to do is require full disclosure and once we see who is buying and paying for these politicians, then we can decide if we like their patrons. We know their getting paid, the question is who is paying them. Sort of like, do you want to play for Team Nike or Team Adidas for Amateur basketball? We know you're getting paid, but your still an amateur.
While SCOTUS precedent disagrees with me...
Wouldn't that opening phrase necessarily mean that every argument you make thereafter is wrong?
No, SCOTUS does make mistakes even if they very rarely admit it.
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by mrydel » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:58 pm
Is SCOTUS the recruiting site that competes with RIAVLS?
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by ponyte » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:10 pm
mrydel wrote:Is SCOTUS the recruiting site that competes with RIAVLS?
A and thanks for breaking this up some.
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