15,475

[ReedFrawg]

First of all I said the last 5 years so 2005 - 2009 (I recently researched back to 2005 - see below). You included a road game (against SMU) and also home games against Utah and Tech (as well as BYU) which were better attended. Even the SMU games are ok attendance-wise. Now go back and look how we have done at home against UNLV, Wyoming, SDSU, Colorado State and Air Force (and throw in UC Davis, Army, SFA and Texas St) since 2005. Not many close games and most against teams that bring next to no fans on their own. I think this has a lot to do with why the casual fans aren't coming out - but maybe I am wrong.

2005
49-28 New Mex
33-6 Col St
51-3 UNLV
38-17 Army

2006
46-13 UC Davis
26-3 Wyoming
52-0 SDSU
38-14 AFA

2007
27-0 Baylor (decent crowd)
SMU 21-7
CSU 24-12
New Mex 37-0
UNLV 34-10

2008
67-7 SFA
31-14 Stanford
41-7 SDSU
54-7 Wyoming
44-10 AFA

2009
56-21 Tex State
39-14 SMU
44-6 Colo State
41-0 UNLV
Last game at home vs New Mex

[Stallion]

ex-pony18 didn't your momma tell you there is always two sides to every story

[hawaiisashimi_smu]

I need to be educated. Last year, the team went 1-11. So what was the attendance at home coming? I need to know these things.

Hawaii had the most stupid AD in Herman Fraiser and he was responsible for losing JJ. It was all ego. Yes, Orsini made the deal to get JJ. That is only the beginning. It is one thing to get JJ but it is another thing to keep JJ.

Orsini needs to improve too or get someone else to take his place. How much do they pay Orsini and how much does TCU, Boise, or Utah pay their AD? Why stop there? How much does Texas AD make and can they hire the Texas AD for SMU? You really want to upgrade SMU sports and football? Seriously?

[Stallion]

I think you are thinking from a perspective of a state university. University of Hawaii and University of Texas represent every one in the State. SMU is a private school and doesn't represent every one even in Dallas. From historical perspective, a private school program with an enrollment of less than 10,000 can hope to draw from about 35,000(TCU in 2009 and SMU in the 70s -80s) and 15,000 (SMU for a decade). Variations are caused by how many BCS programs you can schedule that can bring their own fans and free-bee give-aways. The rest of Dallas has the Cowboys and it will always be that way. SMU will never compete well for the average Dallas fan-they might get a handfull of Dallas college football fans but in the end attendance will come from those with some affiliation to the school not from Dallas at large.

[expony18]

I think you are thinking from a perspective of a state university. University of Hawaii and University of Texas represent every one in the State. SMU is a private school and doesn't represent every one even in Dallas. From historical perspective, a private school program with an enrollment of less than 10,000 can hope to draw from about 35,000(TCU in 2009 and SMU in the 70s -80s) and 15,000 (SMU for a decade). Variations are caused by how many BCS programs you can schedule that can bring their own fans and free-bee give-aways. The rest of Dallas has the Cowboys and it will always be that way. SMU will never compete well for the average Dallas fan-they might get a handfull of Dallas college football fans but in the end attendance will come from those with some affiliation to the school not from Dallas at large.

then please explain how Tulsa does it?

[Stallion]

For one thing they don't have the Dallas Cowboys, or Mavs, or Rangers etc. Tulsa's stadium seats less than 30,000 so they fit within my post. Tulsa had 20,000 last nite and their program has been stronger. Now when they used to play OU, Arkansas and OSU that number spiked with a bigger stadium but that really isn't what we are talking about.

[tristatecoog]

Tulsa had just over 20K last night for #13 ranked Houston.

[CA Mustang]

then please explain how Tulsa does it?

Tulsa has far less entertainment options than Dallas, but is their attendance THAT much better than SMU's?

[expony18]

For one thing they don't have the Dallas Cowboys, or Mavs, or Rangers etc. Tulsa's stadium seats less than 30,000 so they fit within my post.

cowboys play on saturday?
Mavs? maybe one?
Rangers? in october? haha

The stadium has a new capacity of 30,000.
http://www.tulsahurricane.com/facilitie ... adium.html

the fact remains that everyone in oklahoma is either an OU or OSU fan, and tulsa has half the enrollment of SMU. tulsa does a MUCH better job promoting the team within the city.

[expony18]

then please explain how Tulsa does it?

Tulsa has far less entertainment options than Dallas, but is their attendance THAT much better than SMU's?

please tell me what Dallas offers on saturday afternoon that is so much better????

[MrMustang1965]

I saw a LOT of empty seats in Tulsa's stadium on TV last night.

[expony18]

I saw a LOT of empty seats in Tulsa's stadium on TV last night.

did you see the east side of ford on saturday?

[expony18]

For one thing they don't have the Dallas Cowboys, or Mavs, or Rangers etc. Tulsa's stadium seats less than 30,000 so they fit within my post.

cowboys play on saturday?
Mavs? maybe one?
Rangers? in october? haha

The stadium has a new capacity of 30,000.
http://www.tulsahurricane.com/facilitie ... adium.html

the fact remains that everyone in oklahoma is either an OU or OSU fan, and tulsa has half the enrollment of SMU. tulsa does a MUCH better job promoting the team within the city.

also the detroit shock are planning on moving to tulsa

[Stallion]

I have about 45 years experience with this problem-if Dickerson James era Mustangs which at one time had the best 5 year winning percentage of any team in Division 1A beating schools like UT, Arkansas and A&M couldn't do much better then I doubt that a Run and Shoot team playing schools no body gives a damn about is going to do much better. The one real advantage in on campus facility and the Boulevard but that's offset by losing 20-30,000 UT, A&M and Arkansas fans

[ReedFrawg]

also the detroit shock are planning on moving to tulsa

They're screwed