PonyFans.comBoard IndexAround the HilltopFootballRecruitingBasketballOther Sports

Roughing the snapper

This is the forum for talk about SMU Football

Moderators: PonyPride, SmooPower

Roughing the snapper

Postby KnuckleStang » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:15 pm

I have never heard of that penalty being called, but Margus is going to have to be careful about that from here on out. I am sure Snyder's staff may have seen something on tape they thought was suspect, and "briefed" the officials about it before the game. We can expect to see more of that. Also, I hate to say it, but i worry about teams trying to chop block his knees to keep him low
User avatar
KnuckleStang
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2605
Joined: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:01 am
Location: Lynchburg, VA, USA

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby Come and Take It » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:36 pm

On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.
"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." John Wayne

"Context clues and common sense can take you a long way in life." Anthony Cann
User avatar
Come and Take It
All-American
 
Posts: 641
Joined: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:52 pm
Location: Dallas

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby huskerpony » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:37 pm

The Marshall radio guys did say that Snyder had mentioned it to the press during the week and probably said something to the refs about it.
huskerpony
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2962
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:07 pm

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby davidpaul123 » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:38 pm

he got cut with a shot down low at the end of the game that nicked him up a little bit. i worry about the same thing. we need all the soldiers we can get on the DLine
Image
User avatar
davidpaul123
Heisman
 
Posts: 1476
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:47 am
Location: Houston, TX

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby ponyscott » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:28 pm

Come and Take It wrote:On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.


But isn't it also fair game when the Center lifts his head to hike?
User avatar
ponyscott
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 7033
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:47 pm

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby Three Putt » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:41 pm

Come and Take It wrote:On kicks, you cannot touch the center. They changed this rule a while back. In theory, the centers head is down and he cannot see what is coming, so they made hitting him a penalty. It was done to protect against injury.

The center can be hit, but the rushers have to delay for a 1 count. If they don't, it's a personal foul.
Three Putt
Junior Varsity
 
Posts: 112
Joined: Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:08 am

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby Terry Webster » Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:52 pm

I also think that you can't line up directly over the center anymore.
Terry Webster
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 4502
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:01 am
Location: Fort Thomas, KY

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby PoconoPony » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:09 pm

My understanding from the announcers was that Margus was pushing the center's head down on the snap and hurdling over him which is a penalty. When you really think about it the extra point kick is a fairly useless exercise which is successful 99.9% of the time and really does little for the challenge or excitement of the game. I would change the rule to allow a team all options to block the kick including hurdling blockers and leaping up on the back of D players to cut the angle and block kicks thereby making all kicks challenging and risky. If all kicks were made risky with a high chance of blocks then maybe teams would be forced into the 2 point conversion after every TD making games very interesting and field goals much more deliberated. Time to make the game more interesting, creative and less automatic.
PoconoPony
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 4436
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:01 pm
Location: Nesquehoning, Pennsylvania

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby mrydel » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:12 pm

Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand
User avatar
mrydel
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 32036
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2003 4:01 am
Location: Sherwood,AR,USA

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby KnuckleStang » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:57 pm

mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?


It works in pee wee league!
User avatar
KnuckleStang
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2605
Joined: Tue Dec 10, 2002 4:01 am
Location: Lynchburg, VA, USA

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby White Helmet » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:57 am

Im not sure what was going on at Marshall but on every kick Kennemer kept turning to the ref and pointing that the snapper was doing something but he never seemed to get what he wanted. Also on a side note the snapper for Marshall looked like he was 5'5" and about 120lbs.
User avatar
White Helmet
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2411
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:39 pm
Location: Oro Valley, AZ

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby SMU 86 » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:42 am

We must have disrupted the kicker a little becuase he missed one Saturday.
"We will play man to man and we will pick you up at the airport." - Larry Brown

________________________Champion________________________
Image
User avatar
SMU 86
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 12943
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:41 pm

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby PoconoPony » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:09 pm

mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?


Good point; however, I would still allow the extra point as an option to add interest. Problem is that it is too automatic, despite an occasional miss every season for most kickers, and really adds little interest. For that reason I would allow more options to block making the kick option very risky. If risky then more teams might go for the 2 if the risk factors were somewhat the same.
PoconoPony
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 4436
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:01 pm
Location: Nesquehoning, Pennsylvania

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby mrydel » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:11 pm

PoconoPony wrote:
mrydel wrote:Why not just require a 2 point conversion rather than all that fancy stuff?


Good point; however, I would still allow the extra point as an option to add interest. Problem is that it is too automatic, despite an occasional miss every season for most kickers, and really adds little interest. For that reason I would allow more options to block making the kick option very risky. If risky then more teams might go for the 2 if the risk factors were somewhat the same.



2 point conversion or 1 point drop kick. Keep it simple.
All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand
User avatar
mrydel
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 32036
Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2003 4:01 am
Location: Sherwood,AR,USA

Re: Roughing the snapper

Postby sail420s » Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:44 pm

White Helmet wrote:Im not sure what was going on at Marshall but on every kick Kennemer kept turning to the ref and pointing that the snapper was doing something but he never seemed to get what he wanted.


I believe he would false start on every kick. Our guys kept pointing to him, but only got the call once.

The holding call on Sanders big return was crap. We were blocking properly, but one of their guys ran into the guy we were blocking and they both fell. If that wasn't bad enough, the ref that called it, who had his back to Sanders, said the block occurred after the catch. The kick was near its highest point in the air at the time of the "penalty". It was about a 30 yard mistake.

I'm not sure what happened to the officiating this year for the NCAA as a whole, but it has been horrible (especially the SEC). It is also very obvious that the refs are favoring the traditional big name teams.
sail420s
Varsity
 
Posts: 336
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:14 pm
Location: The Colony, TX

Next

Return to Football

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 10 guests