Pac 10 Commish to Expand Conference

[Samurai Stang]

Bottom line in all of the scenarios that have been mooted so far is that SMU and TCU get left out of any current AQ conference.

The MWC without BYU and/or Utah is a non-starter in my opinion. Who wants to be a conference with SDSU, UNLV, and Air Force. We tried that before. It stunk.

There would be a certain element of humor to the whole matter, but the MWC may still be SMU's best option.

Boise State
Air Force
Wyoming
UNLV
New Mexico
San Diego State
TCU
Nevada
Fresno State
SMU
Houston
Tulsa (assuming Colorado State departs)

True, this conference is by no means perfect. However, amongst Houston, TCU, Boise State, and an improving SMU, this MWC is not without the potential to become an AQ BCS conference. Certainly not as likely as if BYU and Utah were still present, but not without some degree of hope.

[Samurai Stang]

In this scenario the MWC may not be a desired place for TCU and they may see that the CUSA would then be the next likely conference to have a chance to upgrade to BCS especially with TCU in it.

If not for Boise State I would agree. While many schools do not want them, without BYU and Utah the MWC will have no choice but to take Boise State. It is in TCU's best interest to be with Boise State, bringing others in. I see no possibility of a new BCS conference that does not include both of these schools.

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

[quote="Samurai Stang"][quote="1983 Cotton Bowl"]Bottom line in all of the scenarios that have been mooted so far is that SMU and TCU get left out of any current AQ conference.

The MWC without BYU and/or Utah is a non-starter in my opinion. Who wants to be a conference with SDSU, UNLV, and Air Force. We tried that before. It stunk.[/quote]

There would be a certain element of humor to the whole matter, but the MWC may still be SMU's best option.

Boise State
Air Force
Wyoming
UNLV
New Mexico
San Diego State
TCU
Nevada
Fresno State
SMU
Houston
Tulsa (assuming Colorado State departs)

True, this conference is by no means perfect. However, amongst Houston, TCU, Boise State, and an improving SMU, this MWC is not without the potential to become an AQ BCS conference. Certainly not as likely as if BYU and Utah were still present, but not without some degree of hope.[/quote]


I see your point. But a conference like this seems geographically untenable. Especially with President Turner being one of the leading voices regarding the unsustainable cost structure of college football, does it make sense to be in a conference spread from Texas to Idaho to California, etc.? It would be one thing if it had television appeal or if we could expect sell-out crowds at these games. But I would think there would be very little fan interest in such a conference (which brings me back to the failed experiment of the expanded WAC).

[1983 Cotton Bowl]

. . .Although I guess it's not too dissimilar from the current C-USA in that respect.

[RGV Pony]

how is that different from the WAC from which most of the schools on that list seceeded?

[PonyKai]

SMU is CUSA and will be for a long time.

I wouldn't put my money on that happening, and I'm not going on my own knowledge and beliefs.

[Samurai Stang]

how is that different from the WAC from which most of the schools on that list seceeded?

1. It has two teams that played in a BCS bowl this year, with several more on the rise.
2. It only has 12 teams instead of 16, making for less money to be shared.
3. It does not include Hawaii, which was a tremendous travel burden.
4. The WAC had no standards in the teams it took.
5. This conference has a chance at becoming a BCS AQ.

Many of the names are the same ones SMU has seen in the past, but there is enough improvement that it would remain a step forward. Whether it is destiny or chance, these teams could be brought together again, stronger than they were before with a real chance for success. SMU cannot hold out for a spot in the Big 12 that will never come.

[Samurai Stang]

SMU is CUSA and will be for a long time.

I wouldn't put my money on that happening, and I'm not going on my own knowledge and beliefs.

If you are not using reasoning, and you are not using mystical beliefs, then from what source are you reaching your conclusions?

[RGV Pony]

SMU is CUSA and will be for a long time.

I wouldn't put my money on that happening, and I'm not going on my own knowledge and beliefs.

If you are not using reasoning, and you are not using mystical beliefs, then from what source are you reaching your conclusions?

my guess would be word on the screet

[couch 'em]

SMU has a strong plan to get us in an improved conference. This plan, and the moves and alliances that had already been made, were instrumental in getting Jones, who would not have come here without such a plan in place. As long as Jones can deliver good football, the agreements created by Orsini, Turner, and the Board of Trustees will be executed. The agreements are already in place with other parties.

[RGV Pony]

SMU has a strong plan to get us in an improved conference. This plan, and the moves and alliances that had already been made, were instrumental in getting Jones, who would not have come here without such a plan in place. As long as Jones can deliver good football, the agreements created by Orsini, Turner, and the Board of Trustees will be executed. The agreements are already in place with other parties.

I just really wish Minnesota wouldve built another indoor venue. But whatever; we'll deal with that when the time comes.

[35straight]

SMU has a strong plan to get us in an improved conference. This plan, and the moves and alliances that had already been made, were instrumental in getting Jones, who would not have come here without such a plan in place. As long as Jones can deliver good football, the agreements created by Orsini, Turner, and the Board of Trustees will be executed. The agreements are already in place with other parties.

I just really wish Minnesota wouldve built another indoor venue. But whatever; we'll deal with that when the time comes.

These alliances you speak of.....what are they and how do you know these things?

[Ponyx2]

SMU has a strong plan to get us in an improved conference. This plan, and the moves and alliances that had already been made, were instrumental in getting Jones, who would not have come here without such a plan in place. As long as Jones can deliver good football, the agreements created by Orsini, Turner, and the Board of Trustees will be executed. The agreements are already in place with other parties.

I just love a good conspiracy theory. Did they plan all this out in Dealy Plaza?

[mr. pony]

SMU is CUSA and will be for a long time.

Disagree. I'm guessing we're gone with the next big shake-up - if a big-boy door opens.

I believe that's been the goal, ever since that stadium went up on campus - and surely after we hired Jones. And, hey, there's always Jerry World for playing the behemoths. Hell, why should just Arkansas, OU, OSU, A&M get that joint in our back yard? That should be our back-up overflow stadium one day for when UT comes to town.

[ozfan]

SMU is CUSA and will be for a long time.

I wouldn't put my money on that happening, and I'm not going on my own knowledge and beliefs.

In all the post seem most people seem to forget about the University of Houston to the big 12 or MWC large TV area and can play a little football at times....hmm