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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby PonyDoh » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:40 am

CA Mustang wrote:.

True, every situation is different. However you are judged according to how well you do in regards to your conference mates and regional peers. As the performance of SMU's men's basketball program is lacking (and has been lacking for years), you can't expect folks to sit by content while conference mates make proactive moves. Will the changes work for ECU, UCF and UH? Who knows? But those schools decided that regular season records comparable to SMU aren't acceptable and require a change.[/quote]

I'm not denying that's a legit line of thought, but so is saying we won 5 more games this year, w/our best talent having an abysmal year followed by injury. Our style seems to fit the program, and we have a legit identity from a system stand point. Oh yeah, very good recruiting class about to get better. Two sides, two opinions, same debate, different thread
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby CA Mustang » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:11 pm

PonyDoh wrote:I'm not denying that's a legit line of thought, but so is saying we won 5 more games this year, w/our best talent having an abysmal year followed by injury. Our style seems to fit the program, and we have a legit identity from a system stand point. Oh yeah, very good recruiting class about to get better.

If the changes you cite were occuring after season 1 or 2 (instead of season 4), then there would be a higher level of confidence in Doherty. But you can't have four consecutive poor seasons and expect everyone to still be buying what you are selling.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby PonyDoh » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:21 pm

CA Mustang wrote:
PonyDoh wrote:I'm not denying that's a legit line of thought, but so is saying we won 5 more games this year, w/our best talent having an abysmal year followed by injury. Our style seems to fit the program, and we have a legit identity from a system stand point. Oh yeah, very good recruiting class about to get better.

If the changes you cite were occuring after season 1 or 2 (instead of season 4), then there would be a higher level of confidence in Doherty. But you can't have four consecutive poor seasons and expect everyone to still be buying what you are selling.


I hear ya, and I don't think people should 'buy it' anymore. He either wins at a decent clip now, or he's out etc. That said, the grass is always greener until you go hire a guy like Jeff Lebo or whomever.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby FriscoPMG » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:38 pm

I just hope BCG is Houston's man since it'll make for some fun in the coming seasons on this board!
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby EastStang » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:13 pm

But if BCG is gone, then we're looking at some untested assistant (thinkTubbs), or a retread like Lebo, Penders, Jarvis, etc.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby FriscoPMG » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:27 pm

EastStang wrote:But if BCG is gone, then we're looking at some untested assistant (thinkTubbs), or a retread like Lebo, Penders, Jarvis, etc.

Well I've accepted the fact that we won't be conducting any coaching searches for another season or two. If BCG is hired then it'll be interesting to see if UH has progressed significantly further than SMU after 1-2 season or if he's spending more time at AA meetings than in the gym. I'd put my money on him succeeding down there...
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby Alaric » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:36 pm

FriscoPMG wrote:
EastStang wrote:But if BCG is gone, then we're looking at some untested assistant (thinkTubbs), or a retread like Lebo, Penders, Jarvis, etc.

Well I've accepted the fact that we won't be conducting any coaching searches for another season or two. If BCG is hired then it'll be interesting to see if UH has progressed significantly further than SMU after 1-2 season or if he's spending more time at AA meetings than in the gym. I'd put my money on him succeeding down there...


cue the post where PonyDoh discusses how BCG would work at Houston but not SMU for some arcane reason
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby Ttown » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:44 pm

Billy will have Houston in the tourney within three years, somehow SMU will still be around 14 to 16 wins a season. Sorry it doesn't take five years to become good, I know your current coach has sold you guys that pile of goods, I'm here to tell you it doesn't .
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby PonyDoh » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:50 pm

Alaric wrote:
FriscoPMG wrote:
EastStang wrote:But if BCG is gone, then we're looking at some untested assistant (thinkTubbs), or a retread like Lebo, Penders, Jarvis, etc.

Well I've accepted the fact that we won't be conducting any coaching searches for another season or two. If BCG is hired then it'll be interesting to see if UH has progressed significantly further than SMU after 1-2 season or if he's spending more time at AA meetings than in the gym. I'd put my money on him succeeding down there...


cue the post where PonyDoh discusses how BCG would work at Houston but not SMU for some arcane reason


If you don't think there are good and bad fits for certain coaches & programs, I don't what to tell you.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby FriscoPMG » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:00 pm

PonyDoh wrote:
Alaric wrote:
FriscoPMG wrote:Well I've accepted the fact that we won't be conducting any coaching searches for another season or two. If BCG is hired then it'll be interesting to see if UH has progressed significantly further than SMU after 1-2 season or if he's spending more time at AA meetings than in the gym. I'd put my money on him succeeding down there...


cue the post where PonyDoh discusses how BCG would work at Houston but not SMU for some arcane reason


If you don't think there are good and bad fits for certain coaches & programs, I don't what to tell you.

I think he could've been a good short term solution at SMU; I think he'll be a very good/great solution at Houston.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby MrMustang1965 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:59 pm

UH's AD Can Either Roll the Dice or Play It Safe
by Richard Justice, Houston Chronicle

Bob Marlin isn't the sexy hire. He's not the hire who will create a buzz around the country about University of Houston basketball, at least not at the start.
Still, he's where this search for a replacement for Tom Penders should begin, and perhaps end. There's one prominent name likely to get an interview. We'll get to Billy Clyde Gillispie later.
Marlin has been at Sam Houston State for 12 seasons and has proved himself in every way a coach at that level can. Are there things we don't know about him? Absolutely.
Winning at Sam Houston State isn't the same as winning at the University of Houston. But certain things work at any level. Integrity. Discipline. Fundamentals. Academics.
He believes in all the things UH athletics director Mack Rhoades believes in. Marlin would walk in the room on day one and talk about the importance of doing things the right way. He's a Bob Knight guy in that way.
He believes in fundamentals and discipline. You see it in his Sam Houston State teams, in their poise and toughness. He'd win, too. He'd recruit smartly and coach them up. That's the thing he has shown over and over at Sam Houston.
He's not the only competent coach Rhoades could hire. Rhoades might be able to hire younger coaches, or more media-savvy coaches.
But he might not be able to hire one who embodies more of the principles Rhoades talks about and wants UH to reflect.
Quick story about Marlin. Two days before his team was to play Baylor last week, he took his players into a gym and came up with a triangle-and-two defensive strategy that had the Bears off-balance almost from start to finish.
Fundamentals key
The Bearkats played with poise and confidence in that loss, and those are traits of a well-coached team. He hasn't always had the best facilities or the biggest recruiting budget, so he'd come to UH in the right frame of mind.
He'd understand there's work to be done, that he must see UH basketball for what it can be instead of what it has been.
Again, he's not a sexy hire. He's a basketball coach, a really good one. He's a recruiter, a first-rate one. He's also a guy who understands the role of sports in the context of a university.
NBA personnel people have admired him for years, for teaching the game and getting the most from his players. They respect him in ways they don't always respect college coaches.
Rhoades loves coaches, game plans, X's and O's. He respects the technicians and strategists. He's sure to sit down with Marlin the next few days, and they just might hit it off.
Marlin might be a slam-dunk hire if it wasn't for this one other guy. This other guy is the one probably keeping Rhoades awake at night.
He's the guy who could make Rhoades look like a genius. He's also the one who could get him fired.
Marlin would be a safe, smart hire, but is safe and smart right for the University of Houston?
Yes, friends, Billy Clyde is tanned, rested and ready. When we last saw him around here, he was negotiating to stay at Texas A&M while simultaneously putting out feelers to Arkansas, Kentucky and who knows where else.
Gillispie intriguing
No available coach has anything approaching his résumé. He won at UTEP and Texas A&M, and if he's the next UH coach, he'll probably win there, too.
Rhoades and Gillispie worked together at UTEP, and Rhoades knows there's a good Billy and a bad Billy.
He knows Billy is as good as anyone at recruiting and selling kids on his vision. He's great at game plans and getting the best out of his players.
If Mack Rhoades knew Billy Clyde would behave himself, he might take a chance on him.
But if Rhoades hires Gillispie, he'll show up every day wondering if this is the day Billy Clyde bolts for a better job. Or if this is the day Billy Clyde stays a little too long at happy hour and attempts to drive home.
Billy Clyde is a risk, and maybe Rhoades believes he's a risk worth taking. Marlin isn't a risk in any of those ways. He would build a program methodically and relentlessly, from the ground up.
This is the first big hire Rhoades will make since arriving at UH, and it will reveal something of his values in program building. And people.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby CalallenStang » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:04 pm

Marlin would be a great hire for UH, but I hope they take Gillispie (or someone else). I want Marlin available if we have to make a move in the near future.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby RGV Pony » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:17 pm

CalallenStang wrote:Marlin would be a great hire for UH, but I hope they take Gillispie (or someone else). I want Marlin available if we have to make a move in the near future.


if we're truly moving to a disciplined, deliberate o and d, and recruiting for such, and we still wind up having to look for someone, I wouldnt be opposed to bringing in Licklighter w/ a couple of assts w/ Texas ties. Or even keep the Reggies.
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby MrMustang1965 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:02 pm

CalallenStang wrote:Marlin would be a great hire for UH, but I hope they take Gillispie (or someone else). I want Marlin available if we have to make a move in the near future.
If SMU hires Bob Marlin from SHSU, it's a win-win for me! :)
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Re: Penders will reportedly not return

Postby MrMustang1965 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:11 pm

Report out of Houston that SHSU's Bob Marlin will be interviewed for the vacancy at Auburn University.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/ ... bob-marlin
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