Paul McCoy is gone!

[CalallenStang]

And if he is the type of player that can't thrive in the modified princeton as you claim then why after his stellar freshman campaign did Doh institute a system that his leading scorer and best player from the year before couldn't fit into?!?

That pretty much says it all - moodymadmen just doesn't get it. You build your system around your team, not around one player.

Moodymadmen, if you want to argue against Doh bring the logical arguments and disregard the illogical (like the one above). I've said that before - your illogical points overshadow your good points. Like PonyDoh said,

You want to hammer Doh, start w/JS replacing Dwill

[moodymadmen]

You are right Calallen, I just don't get it. Poor me, I just don't understand why Doh would want to build a system that doesn't fit the strengths of his best players. Not to even touch on the point it took Doh 4 years to find this great system that led us to a stellar 14-17 record...but I hate to break it to you, the good COACHES put their players in a position to succeed. If McCoy didn't fit this modified princeton as PonyDoh claims then Doh set up McCoy to fail this season after he had an awesome freshman debut...and thats just horrible management of the person and the player by Doherty. If you think thats "illogicial" then I just don't know what to say.

[CalallenStang]

You are right Calallen, I just don't get it. Poor me, I just don't understand why Doh would want to build a system that doesn't fit the strengths of one player who was mentally on vacation during every game.

FIFY.

[Casey]

I'm not suggesting this is a "good thing". Just said it might not be as bad as everyone fears. Another year for Paul like last season and our fans would be dogging him big time and if he's already unhappy, it could really become a disaster. He needs to be where he wants to be.

Win or lose, most of us on here will still be fans. We've followed this sorry excuse of a program through some pretty miserable times. I'm anxious to see how the new guys compete.

PonyFans turning on one of their own without knowing a fraction of what might be going on in that player's life? Gee, that's hard to imagine.

I'm sorry to see Paul go, if, in fact, he really is leaving. He seemed like a really nice young man, and he has a lot of talent. None of us really knows what caused him to tail off last year, and the knee injury is something that isn't wished on anyone. Regardless of where Paul ends up — with or without basketball — I wish him all the best. He represented our team with class, and I thank him for his efforts at SMU.

Hope you find whatever it is you're looking for, Paul, wherever you end up.

[PonyDoh]

You are right Calallen, I just don't get it. Poor me, I just don't understand why Doh would want to build a system that doesn't fit the strengths of his best players. Not to even touch on the point it took Doh 4 years to find this great system that led us to a stellar 14-17 record...but I hate to break it to you, the good COACHES put their players in a position to succeed. If McCoy didn't fit this modified princeton as PonyDoh claims then Doh set up McCoy to fail this season after he had an awesome freshman debut...and thats just horrible management of the person and the player by Doherty. If you think thats "illogicial" then I just don't know what to say.

Doh didn't set up McCoy to fail. He got plenty of burn, had tons of looks, and had the ball in his hand a ton. Paul didn't step up b/c Paul wasnt in game shape early, hadn't worked on his game in the offseason, and played rusty. He admits he didn't put in the work, admits it.There is only so much you can blame on Doh.

The 'modified' portion of the princeton was set up to take advantage of Dwill & McCoy's ability to dribble drive. It doesn't have to go high post everytime, nor do we have to have wing cutters to start the motion. Don't give me the McCoy wasn't put in a position to succeed, b/c his skillset is similar to Dwills, and look at that kids senior year. His entire role was to penetrate, get in the lane, and either finish, kick it off, or drop it down. IF anything, we relied on letting those two kids predicate too much of the offense off the high screen, stifling movement everywhere else.

[moodymadmen]

You are right Calallen, I just don't get it. Poor me, I just don't understand why Doh would want to build a system that doesn't fit the strengths of his best players. Not to even touch on the point it took Doh 4 years to find this great system that led us to a stellar 14-17 record...but I hate to break it to you, the good COACHES put their players in a position to succeed. If McCoy didn't fit this modified princeton as PonyDoh claims then Doh set up McCoy to fail this season after he had an awesome freshman debut...and thats just horrible management of the person and the player by Doherty. If you think thats "illogicial" then I just don't know what to say.

Doh didn't set up McCoy to fail. He got plenty of burn, had tons of looks, and had the ball in his hand a ton. Paul didn't step up b/c Paul wasnt in game shape early, hadn't worked on his game in the offseason, and played rusty. He admits he didn't put in the work, admits it.There is only so much you can blame on Doh.

The 'modified' portion of the princeton was set up to take advantage of Dwill & McCoy's ability to dribble drive. It doesn't have to go high post everytime, nor do we have to have wing cutters to start the motion. Don't give me the McCoy wasn't put in a position to succeed, b/c his skillset is similar to Dwills, and look at that kids senior year. His entire role was to penetrate, get in the lane, and either finish, kick it off, or drop it down. IF anything, we relied on letting those two kids predicate too much of the offense off the high screen, stifling movement everywhere else.

PonyDoh, I'm confused...in one post you bash McCoy as no good and say he couldn't thrive in the modified princeton and then in the next post you say the system was set up to "take advantage of Dwill and McCoy's ability to dribble drive" indicating he should have been able to thrive. Pick a side and stay there my friend. Calallen, I appreciate the edit, I forgot how nothing is ever Doh's fault...you are right, I don't get it...McCoy was just a mental midget at SMU, despite being the first freshman EVER to lead the Mustangs in scoring and having a "down" year his sophomore season while still somehow being #2 in minutes per game, #3 in rebounds per game, #2 in assists per game, #1 in steals per game, and #5 in points per game. If all of our players were that "bad" and "mentally on vacation" then we would have a pretty dang good team! We had a bad year with DWill, Faye, and McCoy last season...the wheels are about to fall off without them, looking forward to reading the plentiful excuses for Doh at this time next year. Maybe we can turn on Dia and blame him? You bash folks for "negative" posts yet its interesting how negative your comments are for a player that served 2 years as a Mustang such as McCoy...

[CalallenStang]

Calallen, I appreciate the edit, I forgot how nothing is ever Doh's fault

I never said that. Want to see something that's Doh's fault? Go and look at our list of commitments and see who we took as PG. That's an inexcusable mistake and Sarsaparilla or however you spell his name had better come in and lead this team to a 20 win season or Doh will be fired next year no doubt.

first freshman EVER to lead the Mustangs in scoring and having a "down" year his sophomore season

I don't know, I think a 14 win season is better than a 9 win season, even though McCoy's individual stats were down. Don't you agree? And don't say that the 2010 schedule was crap because you know the 2009 schedule was crap too.

If all of our players were that "bad" and "mentally on vacation" then we would have a pretty dang good team!

If all of our players were mentally on vacation like McCoy was, we wouldn't win one damn game. McCoy has a lot of God-given talent but his work ethic wasn't there last year, and if you went to any games you saw how lost he looked.

Now, you can blame Doh for McCoy being unfocused (because he deserves some of the blame for that one), but don't say that McCoy was 100% there because he wasn't.

[PonyDoh]

You are right Calallen, I just don't get it. Poor me, I just don't understand why Doh would want to build a system that doesn't fit the strengths of his best players. Not to even touch on the point it took Doh 4 years to find this great system that led us to a stellar 14-17 record...but I hate to break it to you, the good COACHES put their players in a position to succeed. If McCoy didn't fit this modified princeton as PonyDoh claims then Doh set up McCoy to fail this season after he had an awesome freshman debut...and thats just horrible management of the person and the player by Doherty. If you think thats "illogicial" then I just don't know what to say.

Doh didn't set up McCoy to fail. He got plenty of burn, had tons of looks, and had the ball in his hand a ton. Paul didn't step up b/c Paul wasnt in game shape early, hadn't worked on his game in the offseason, and played rusty. He admits he didn't put in the work, admits it.There is only so much you can blame on Doh.

The 'modified' portion of the princeton was set up to take advantage of Dwill & McCoy's ability to dribble drive. It doesn't have to go high post everytime, nor do we have to have wing cutters to start the motion. Don't give me the McCoy wasn't put in a position to succeed, b/c his skillset is similar to Dwills, and look at that kids senior year. His entire role was to penetrate, get in the lane, and either finish, kick it off, or drop it down. IF anything, we relied on letting those two kids predicate too much of the offense off the high screen, stifling movement everywhere else.

PonyDoh, I'm confused...in one post you bash McCoy as no good and say he couldn't thrive in the modified princeton and then in the next post you say the system was set up to "take advantage of Dwill and McCoy's ability to dribble drive" indicating he should have been able to thrive. Pick a side and stay there my friend. Calallen, I appreciate the edit, I forgot how nothing is ever Doh's fault...you are right, I don't get it...McCoy was just a mental midget at SMU, despite being the first freshman EVER to lead the Mustangs in scoring and having a "down" year his sophomore season while still somehow being #2 in minutes per game, #3 in rebounds per game, #2 in assists per game, #1 in steals per game, and #5 in points per game. If all of our players were that "bad" and "mentally on vacation" then we would have a pretty dang good team! We had a bad year with DWill, Faye, and McCoy last season...the wheels are about to fall off without them, looking forward to reading the plentiful excuses for Doh at this time next year. Maybe we can turn on Dia and blame him? You bash folks for "negative" posts yet its interesting how negative your comments are for a player that served 2 years as a Mustang such as McCoy...

McCoy isn't a great match for the modified princeton, but it's a good match for the program. We went to that set after we failed w/our traditional motion set earlier in the year. So, McCoy wasn't doing anything across the board, princeton or otherwise. As a program, we played far better in the modified look, even if McCoy looked painfully average in either set. As I stated, one of the main reasons it was modified was to take advantage of Dwill & McCoys ability to use the high screen and penetrate. If McCoy can't be effective off the high screen, and get into the lane, to either finish or dish, what good is he? That's his entire offensive skill set. He's an abysmal on ball defender, can't truly run the point, and is a subpar passer & shooter at 5'10. Honestly, this offense calls for a 6'3 or so SG, that has a pure stroke and can pass, not a 5'10 kid playing SG, that is only effective when he dominates the ball. McCoy pounded the air out of the ball last year, and never went anywhere.

Again, nobody is defending Doh or the program here, just saying that McCoy was cancerous and wasn't missed last year, nor will he be missed this year. Before you argue w/me, Moody, understand the timeline, and why things were done the way they were. You act like Doh went princeton to sabotage McCoy, when the reality was that we switched to control tempo, b/c McCoy didn't show up last year. He was counted on to lead and he didn't prepare. Again, want to blame Doh, blame him for recruiting a kid that needs lithium to feel regulated. Don't blame him for not putting McCoy in a position to succeed. They catered to him, in hopes of getting him right. He was fed the ball, playing time, and opportunity. They encouraged him, carressed his ego, and bent over backwards. At some point, you have to cut bait w/someone that demands so much extra attention and doesn't produce at an elite level.

Again, we lose very little by replacing McCoys minutes w/some combo of Pats, Clink even Barbre. We need shooters, far more then temperamental kids who demand the ball and do nothing w/it. McCoys transfer has everything to do w/being p-whipped, not the staff or Doh. Meanwhile, the same chick he's screwing w/his future over, is rumored to be dogging a Terp player whose about to get paid.

[NickSMU17]

Are we sure Doh even knows how to coach this offense...it doesn't look like any of the teams he is trying to mimic, i.e. butler, zags....

Just saying we maybe should look into getting a specialist if this is how we are going to continue...

[CalallenStang]

Are we sure Doh even knows how to coach this offense...it doesn't look like any of the teams he is trying to mimic, i.e. butler, zags....

Just saying we maybe should look into getting a specialist if this is how we are going to continue...

I think that's a valid concern but let's see how next year goes; if the offense still looks like a fustercluck then it will be time to go another direction.

[moodymadmen]

Calallen please stop pretending like winning 14 games was some sort of accomplishment. And you can knock McCoy for having a relatively bad season compared to his first...but him during his "bad" season is still better then 75% of our roster which says a lot. PonyDoh, you keep bashing McCoy by saying "if McCoy can't be effective off the high screen, and get into the lane, to either finish or dish, what good is he? That's his entire offensive skill set. He's an abysmal on ball defender, can't truly run the point, and is a subpar passer & shooter at 5'10." So again, if he is the marquee recruit (along with dia) over the past 4 years then what does that say about our program?? I guess I just have a real problem with the doggypile and bashing of McCoy when he had perhaps the greatest freshman season by a Mustang ever. Sure he had a down year, but should he be punished for setting the bar so high in year 1?? And, again, his "down" year was better then many of these Mustangs could ever hope for. Maybe he wasn't completely focused or was lovesick or homesick or whatever but to throw him under the bus as "abysmal" "subpar" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" etc is a dang shame considering only a year ago he was our greatest hope for the future. The pot is calling the kettle black to criticize one for "Doh bashing" and then to turn around and engage in "McCoy bashing"

[CalallenStang]

Sigh...moodymadmen just doesn't get it.

I never said 14 wins was an "accomplishment," just that it's better than 9 wins. 14 > 9. It's math.

And you can't say that he was better than 75% of our roster either. He played a position that tends to rack up stats such as assists and steals and he got a lot of minutes (probably too many last year - why not blame Doh for bad management because Clink, from mid-season on, was doing more with fewer minutes than McCoy was?) which explains some. The high rebounding number was inflated by the fact that he missed a lot of shots on the drive and got his own rebound (admirable).

As for the "marquee recruit" argument, no one said this program was in good shape. We aren't Syracuse, Duke, Louisville, Gonzaga, Memphis, etc. Considering the fact that we are at a school with NEGATIVE relations to the local basketball community (which were inflamed by firing Tubbs, etc. - it's been well documented on here) we aren't going to get great recruits. That being said, we do get better recruits than several members of our conference that don't have issues with the basketball community, such as Houston (watch how bad they will be this year without Coleman and Lewis), East Carolina, Tulane, Rice (though I think Braun has outrecruited Doh recently), and we are recruiting better than TCU, etc. Don't expect the best recruits in Dallas to go to SMU when they can go to Texas, Texas A&M, OSU, OU, Baylor, Tech, Memphis, Duke, etc (schools that don't have an issue with basketball community relations). You want to land those guys? You have to win first. Right now we need to focus on winning.

[FriscoPMG]

Again, we lose very little by replacing McCoys minutes w/some combo of Pats, Clink even Barbre. We need shooters, far more then temperamental kids who demand the ball and do nothing w/it. McCoys transfer has everything to do w/being p-whipped, not the staff or Doh. Meanwhile, the same chick he's screwing w/his future over, is rumored to be dogging a Terp player whose about to get paid.

I hope you're right but between the freshman "true" PG Doh just signed and the group you listed above (+ Walker), I have a hard time believing we lose very little. Is your list above more for the 2-guard position or PG? Regardless, that guard rotation is atrocious, especially considering this magical new offensive system Doh has put in is supposed to rely on the PG making a play. And yet unless pigtail exceeds all expectations, we now don't have a single guard capable of driving and dishing. I know McCoy wasn't good when it came to the dishing aspect, but he at least had a little play-making ability.
And even if that rumor is true, do we really need to send this in the direction of accusing McCoy's girl of sleeping around with other guys?

[CalallenStang]

And as far as this thread goes:

Losing Paul McCoy is not a big loss. He was not focused on giving 100% to this program and he is the same type of player as several other guys on our roster who will be more focused on giving 100%.

Doherty SHOULD re-allocate this scholarship by finding another PG, but he probably won't, which will be a mistake.

The end.

[CalallenStang]

And yet unless pigtail exceeds all expectations, we now don't have a single guard capable of driving and dishing.

IMO Pats and Clink will both be able to drive and dish. I'm not sure about Samarripappasburgers.