PonyFans.comBoard IndexAround the HilltopFootballRecruitingBasketballOther Sports

Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Anything involving SMU basketball belongs here.

Moderators: PonyPride, SmooPower

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby ponyscott » Mon May 10, 2010 9:18 pm

Another Cougar High deal....so what? Anyone could get into that commuter school ....if he lasts the full year I will be surprised as from the scuttlebut, he would have been tough to keep academically eligible here anyway. A tough tricky situation...could have gone any which way....
User avatar
ponyscott
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 7033
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:47 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby SMUSportsTalkNow101 » Tue May 11, 2010 9:14 am

Fabyon Harris is not someone to be at SMU. Too risky for all sorts of reasons. Not too sure about the quality of Jeremiah, either, but he does not come with the baggage and "rep" this Harris kid does. IMO chemistry on team is better with Jeremiah and the others incoming with the existing crew.
User avatar
SMUSportsTalkNow101
Junior Varsity
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:08 pm
Location: Catskill, NY

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby NickSMU17 » Tue May 11, 2010 10:44 am

SMUSportsTalkNow101 wrote:Fabyon Harris is not someone to be at SMU. Too risky for all sorts of reasons. Not too sure about the quality of Jeremiah, either, but he does not come with the baggage and "rep" this Harris kid does. IMO chemistry on team is better with Jeremiah and the others incoming with the existing crew.


What You just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in you incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having had listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul!!
NickSMU17
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 5668
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:01 am
Location: Hinsdale, IL

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby PonyDoh » Tue May 11, 2010 11:47 am

NickSMU17 wrote:
SMUSportsTalkNow101 wrote:Fabyon Harris is not someone to be at SMU. Too risky for all sorts of reasons. Not too sure about the quality of Jeremiah, either, but he does not come with the baggage and "rep" this Harris kid does. IMO chemistry on team is better with Jeremiah and the others incoming with the existing crew.


What You just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point in you incoherent rambling response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all now dumber for having had listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul!!


Movie quote and all, he may be right.
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.”- Jalen Jones
PonyDoh
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3066
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby FriscoPMG » Tue May 11, 2010 12:20 pm

SMUSportsTalkNow101 wrote:Fabyon Harris is not someone to be at SMU. Too risky for all sorts of reasons. Not too sure about the quality of Jeremiah, either, but he does not come with the baggage and "rep" this Harris kid does. IMO chemistry on team is better with Jeremiah and the others incoming with the existing crew.

I love that when he commits everyone applauds his toughness and heart and desire to get out of his current situation - which he had no control over. But now that we lost out on him and got a less talented kid, that toughness and heart becomes a "rep" and "baggage." No guarantee that any of these kids work out, but give me a break that suddenly he's not a good fit for this program.
User avatar
FriscoPMG
All-American
 
Posts: 769
Joined: Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:59 am

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby NickSMU17 » Tue May 11, 2010 12:32 pm

FriscoPMG wrote:
SMUSportsTalkNow101 wrote:Fabyon Harris is not someone to be at SMU. Too risky for all sorts of reasons. Not too sure about the quality of Jeremiah, either, but he does not come with the baggage and "rep" this Harris kid does. IMO chemistry on team is better with Jeremiah and the others incoming with the existing crew.

I love that when he commits everyone applauds his toughness and heart and desire to get out of his current situation - which he had no control over. But now that we lost out on him and got a less talented kid, that toughness and heart becomes a "rep" and "baggage." No guarantee that any of these kids work out, but give me a break that suddenly he's not a good fit for this program.



Exactly what I thought...we all couldn't have been more excited about his commitment, even if he didn't qualify....blah blah blah...

Now when he goes elsewhere, the WDNWHA committee comes out in force....

Basketball : DOH = Football : Bennet
NickSMU17
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 5668
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:01 am
Location: Hinsdale, IL

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby PonyDoh » Tue May 11, 2010 1:39 pm

I have no problem bringing in thugs, so don't include me in the WDNWHA club. That said, it's pretty tough when his facebook page was littered w/Fab, his cousin & bro, all posing w/guns etc, right after the kids death. Certainly, I'd love to have had Fabs talent, but its not far-fetched to say acclimating at SMU, especially academically, would have been a real lifes challenge.

Beyond that, it's debatable if he has his combo of test scores & GPA. What I do know is that his core is a big deal here. UH can take the national minimum whereas SMU's minimum is higher.
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.”- Jalen Jones
PonyDoh
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3066
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby MustangIcon » Tue May 11, 2010 1:44 pm

Having watched videos on both these kids (full disclosure, the video I have seen on Fab is less than JSam) my initial takeaways are...

- Fab, although shorter, is a better finisher at the bucket and will be at the college level. He is just more explosive to the rim and I worry that JSam could struggle to finish/create his own shot in college. Fab, from the limited video, just overall looks like the better pure athlete of the two.

- Fab is much more of a ball-controlling, shoot first guard than JSam. I could see him dribbling the air out of the ball a bit much, but again I think he will have the ability to create shots, which is something we really lose from not having DWill this season. JSam seems to be much better at facilitating and is a pretty good passer. I hope that he has the ability to recognize the open player and deliver the ball accurately to scorers. This is something SMU has sorely lacked over the past few years. I actually think this is Pats' (sorry to introduce a 3rd player into the discussion here) best skill from the video I have seen on him.

- Both are willing to push the ball and look for easy opportunities.

- Have seen very few clips on Fab's outside shooting. At 20+ ppg I would have to assume he has a pretty decent jumper just haven't seen much first hand. JSam seems to have a good stroke and should make D's pay if they double down on our bigs. Not sure how he will fare on contested jumpers though.

If I were picking between the two, Fab would be the guy that seems to have the upside and is the "sexier" choice. That could largely be due to highlight reels being a poor way to evaluate any player, especially a player whose main competency is executing an offense (which is what I hope JSam brings). Also, I think its funny that Fab is going to UH. He seems like the absolute prototype of a UH/Penders tenure guy, just now with Dickey.

If anyone has any other videos on these kids that haven't already been posted, please link them up here. Thanks!
MustangIcon
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2604
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:29 am

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby PonyDoh » Tue May 11, 2010 2:14 pm

MustangIcon wrote:Having watched videos on both these kids (full disclosure, the video I have seen on Fab is less than JSam) my initial takeaways are...

- Fab, although shorter, is a better finisher at the bucket and will be at the college level. He is just more explosive to the rim and I worry that JSam could struggle to finish/create his own shot in college. Fab, from the limited video, just overall looks like the better pure athlete of the two.

- Fab is much more of a ball-controlling, shoot first guard than JSam. I could see him dribbling the air out of the ball a bit much, but again I think he will have the ability to create shots, which is something we really lose from not having DWill this season. JSam seems to be much better at facilitating and is a pretty good passer. I hope that he has the ability to recognize the open player and deliver the ball accurately to scorers. This is something SMU has sorely lacked over the past few years. I actually think this is Pats' (sorry to introduce a 3rd player into the discussion here) best skill from the video I have seen on him.

- Both are willing to push the ball and look for easy opportunities.

- Have seen very few clips on Fab's outside shooting. At 20+ ppg I would have to assume he has a pretty decent jumper just haven't seen much first hand. JSam seems to have a good stroke and should make D's pay if they double down on our bigs. Not sure how he will fare on contested jumpers though.

If I were picking between the two, Fab would be the guy that seems to have the upside and is the "sexier" choice. That could largely be due to highlight reels being a poor way to evaluate any player, especially a player whose main competency is executing an offense (which is what I hope JSam brings). Also, I think its funny that Fab is going to UH. He seems like the absolute prototype of a UH/Penders tenure guy, just now with Dickey.

If anyone has any other videos on these kids that haven't already been posted, please link them up here. Thanks!


It's funny b/c several of us who saw the videos before Fab was a known target, thought he was a Dwill clone. In truth, several of the final prospects in our PG hunt looked more like Dwill then anything resembling a pass first PG. At the time, I had the question you raise in mind. Are we better served by the superior talent, who dominates the ball, or a pass first kid that fits the new system, even if a lesser talent? I'd like to think w/better ball movement and chemistry that we'd be a better club. OTOH, if Pigtails can't deliver at this level, it's sorta moot
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.”- Jalen Jones
PonyDoh
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3066
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby NickSMU17 » Tue May 11, 2010 2:42 pm

Fab did have a couple Big east offers, just so we are all aware....

And I think they are the same size...not that it matters...
NickSMU17
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 5668
Joined: Wed Jan 21, 2004 4:01 am
Location: Hinsdale, IL

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby MustangIcon » Tue May 11, 2010 2:53 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:Fab did have a couple Big east offers, just so we are all aware....

And I think they are the same size...not that it matters...


I thought that Depaul was his only Big East offer . And we did have him committed, we chose to proceed without him. Whether that was a good choice or not, I don't know. But by offering another PG with our last 'ship while we had him committed, we essentially chose to move on.

I think Fab looks a little shorter. In spite of that, I think he will be a better finisher at the rim and even off the jump-stop. Just seems to be much more explosive at the point of attack. Again though, I may be reading too much into limited clips of these kids.
MustangIcon
Hall of Famer
 
Posts: 2604
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:29 am

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby PonyDoh » Tue May 11, 2010 2:57 pm

NickSMU17 wrote:Fab did have a couple Big east offers, just so we are all aware....

And I think they are the same size...not that it matters...


Fab had a Depaul offer, and an unverified Cincy offer. I think it's clear he was the higher rated prospect. Just gotta hope JS can play and spreads the ball around. Need some other kids to step up, now that they are upperclassmen. See Haynes & Nyakundi. We need consistent double digit games form those guys.

For the positive, heard Smith is very very close now, so that's huge. Smith, Pigtails, Vilde, and Pats will be here summer session 2.
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.”- Jalen Jones
PonyDoh
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3066
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby PonyDoh » Tue May 11, 2010 3:33 pm

MustangIcon wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:Fab did have a couple Big east offers, just so we are all aware....

And I think they are the same size...not that it matters...


I thought that Depaul was his only Big East offer . And we did have him committed, we chose to proceed without him. Whether that was a good choice or not, I don't know. But by offering another PG with our last 'ship while we had him committed, we essentially chose to move on.

I think Fab looks a little shorter. In spite of that, I think he will be a better finisher at the rim and even off the jump-stop. Just seems to be much more explosive at the point of attack. Again though, I may be reading too much into limited clips of these kids.


You aren't reading too much into, that's pretty much the situation. Fab is a better lead guard prospect by a considerable margin. That said, this program has had a lead guard, the last several years. Hopefully signing JS is a calculated move towards increased ball movement & team assists.

This is one of those polarizing recruitments that gets folks hired and fired. Ultimately, the staff did exhaustive research into Fab and his grades/scores. W/transcripts in hand, and only several weeks to go in the process, they continued to pursue PGs. Upon finding one, they look at the transcript, then look at the kid on the court, and make the best call you can. SMU needs ball handlers in Dohs must win year, so rather then get burned, they settle on Pigtails. As far as I know, Fab still couldn't be admitted to SMU, unless his core jumped. How long do you wait that situation out?
“When I first committed to SMU, I thought it would take a couple of years of building. But with these players coming in, we should make a run. We have a lot of heavy hitters. It could get real ugly for a lot of teams we play.”- Jalen Jones
PonyDoh
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3066
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:58 pm

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby smupony » Tue May 11, 2010 3:53 pm

PonyDoh wrote:
NickSMU17 wrote:Fab did have a couple Big east offers, just so we are all aware....

And I think they are the same size...not that it matters...


Fab had a Depaul offer, and an unverified Cincy offer. I think it's clear he was the higher rated prospect. Just gotta hope JS can play and spreads the ball around. Need some other kids to step up, now that they are upperclassmen. See Haynes & Nyakundi. We need consistent double digit games form those guys.

For the positive, heard Smith is very very close now, so that's huge. Smith, Pigtails, Vilde, and Pats will be here summer session 2.


Have all four made it through the NCAA clearing house? I thought Vilde was the one being held up? Is that correct?
User avatar
smupony
All-American
 
Posts: 881
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:04 pm
Location: Dallas, TX

Re: Fab v Pigtails: we'll see it next year

Postby SMUSportsTalkNow101 » Tue May 11, 2010 4:05 pm

Hey NickSMU17 - Sorry to make you dumber for what I said but go back and look at my posts...I am never for bringing obviously questionable character into any program, let alone SMU's, as a fan. When Fabyon Harris was offered I looked him up and started reading peoples rants and paying a little more attention,,,,and I can say I am happy, as a SMU fan, things worked out the way they did. I want to win but I want to win the right way with good people. I do not know exactly what all there is to know about Fabyon Harris--but where there is smoke there is usually fire. IMO. Wish Fab's well and wish Jermemiah even better. He is on your team now.
User avatar
SMUSportsTalkNow101
Junior Varsity
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:08 pm
Location: Catskill, NY

PreviousNext

Return to Basketball

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests

 
cron