Paul McCoy is gone!

[moodymadmen]

FYI, from DMN:

Guard Paul McCoy's request to transfer is a blow to Mustangs
By KATE HAIROPOULOS / The Dallas Morning News
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SMU sophomore guard Paul McCoy has asked to be released from his basketball scholarship and is transferring, the school confirmed today. The move is a blow to the Mustangs, who will have major questions in the back court. Coach Matt Doherty had pointed to McCoy as a reason why SMU could expect to be improved next season, Doherty's fifth at SMU.

McCoy missed the final 10 games last season to a torn ACL, but his rehab was believed to be going well. He led SMU in scoring as a freshman with 13.4 points per game, though he struggled this season before the injury and averaged just 7.4 points. McCoy, from Portland, had considered transferring after his freshman season, but decided to return.

McCoy could not be immediately reached for comment.

"We appreciate all that he accomplished here and wish him nothing but success in his future endeavors," Doherty said in a statement.

[CalallenStang]

Notice you haven't commented on the guard transfer we just picked up from a tournament team last year, moodymadmen.

[moodymadmen]

Notice you haven't commented on the guard transfer we just picked up from a tournament team last year, moodymadmen.

Mangrum?? I'm glad anyone wants to come here with our program in the condition its in...but wake me up when we get someone that averages more then 4.1, 1.7, and .5 in their best year...5 pages were just spent mostly killing McCoy and he pretty much doubled those numbers across the board in his allegedly horrible sophomore season.

[CalallenStang]

Notice you haven't commented on the guard transfer we just picked up from a tournament team last year, moodymadmen.

Mangrum?? I'm glad anyone wants to come here with our program in the condition its in...but wake me up when we get someone that averages more then 4.1, 1.7, and .5 in their best year...5 pages were just spent mostly killing McCoy and he pretty much doubled those numbers across the board in his allegedly horrible sophomore season.

That's fair, just making sure you're keeping up with everything that's going on.

[MustangIcon]

Notice you haven't commented on the guard transfer we just picked up from a tournament team last year, moodymadmen.

Mangrum?? I'm glad anyone wants to come here with our program in the condition its in...but wake me up when we get someone that averages more then 4.1, 1.7, and .5 in their best year...5 pages were just spent mostly killing McCoy and he pretty much doubled those numbers across the board in his allegedly horrible sophomore season.

You are presenting stats in a way that is misleading. That is what the kid averaged in less than 15 minutes per game. Double his minutes to match McCoy's 30 minutes per game and he beats McCoy in ppg, ties in rpg, and loses in assists, all while destroying Paul in shooting percentages.

Stats don't tell the whole story and I still think McCoy at his top level is way better than Mangrum at his top level, McCoy just was nowhere close to his top level last year. And the stat comparison you gave just now to justify your position makes your arguement look weak. You should stick to a more logical arguement that McCoy's ceiling is pretty high and for various reasons he sucked last year. It was only one year and that does not make a career, but he did in fact suck last year. Come to grips with it.

[moodymadmen]

Notice you haven't commented on the guard transfer we just picked up from a tournament team last year, moodymadmen.

Mangrum?? I'm glad anyone wants to come here with our program in the condition its in...but wake me up when we get someone that averages more then 4.1, 1.7, and .5 in their best year...5 pages were just spent mostly killing McCoy and he pretty much doubled those numbers across the board in his allegedly horrible sophomore season.

You are presenting stats in a way that is misleading. That is what the kid averaged in less than 15 minutes per game. Double his minutes to match McCoy's 30 minutes per game and he beats McCoy in ppg, ties in rpg, and loses in assists, all while destroying Paul in shooting percentages.

Stats don't tell the whole story and I still think McCoy at his top level is way better than Mangrum at his top level, McCoy just was nowhere close to his top level last year. And the stat comparison you gave just now to justify your position makes your arguement look weak. You should stick to a more logical arguement that McCoy's ceiling is pretty high and for various reasons he sucked last year. It was only one year and that does not make a career, but he did in fact suck last year. Come to grips with it.

I see your point, but even if you double his minutes you are still coming to a conclusion that I don't get: that Magnum's theoretical season of 8 or so points, 3.4 or so rebounds, and 1 assist in approx. 30 minutes would be solid while McCoy with the same or better numbers "sucked". And slow your roll in terms of Mangrum "destroying Paul in shooting percentages." As far as I can tell, the dude can only make free throws. He is a career 27% shooter from 3 and 34% from the floor, which isn't good at all if thats your alleged strength.

[CalallenStang]

while McCoy with the same or better numbers "sucked".

He didn't suck, he just didn't play up to his potential, kapesh?

[PonyDoh]

I see your point, but even if you double his minutes you are still coming to a conclusion that I don't get: that Magnum's theoretical season of 8 or so points, 3.4 or so rebounds, and 1 assist in approx. 30 minutes would be solid while McCoy with the same or better numbers "sucked". And slow your roll in terms of Mangrum "destroying Paul in shooting percentages." As far as I can tell, the dude can only make free throws. He is a career 27% shooter from 3 and 34% from the floor, which isn't good at all if thats your alleged strength.

Mangrum has been completely hampered his whole career by injuries. He's better then his numbers, and is a fine shooter by most accounts. For our system, he could be very effective spotting on the wings. Also, his length on D helps up top in the zone. There is no negative to him walking on, and I expect he'll earn some time. Can't hurt the depth.

Moody, your agenda is tired and old. We're gonna lace'm up, see how the ball bounces. Doh either fights his way out of a hole, or he doesn't. Do us all a favor and don't harp on it all year. EVery single one us knows what is at stake this year. As of now, i'm confident you'll cheer for Doh to lose more then you care if the Mustangs win. I'm not sure you know you give off that vibe, but it's not pretty. We'll all be here long after Doh is gone. RIght now, this program needs wins and momentum. We have enough talent to be very competitive next season, so why would you cheer for losses? Why sandbag recruit threads when we have 5 ships to fill in '11. Before we even tip off this year, we'll have signed half of our '11 class or so.

[moodymadmen]

I see your point, but even if you double his minutes you are still coming to a conclusion that I don't get: that Magnum's theoretical season of 8 or so points, 3.4 or so rebounds, and 1 assist in approx. 30 minutes would be solid while McCoy with the same or better numbers "sucked". And slow your roll in terms of Mangrum "destroying Paul in shooting percentages." As far as I can tell, the dude can only make free throws. He is a career 27% shooter from 3 and 34% from the floor, which isn't good at all if thats your alleged strength.

Mangrum has been completely hampered his whole career by injuries. He's better then his numbers, and is a fine shooter by most accounts. For our system, he could be very effective spotting on the wings. Also, his length on D helps up top in the zone. There is no negative to him walking on, and I expect he'll earn some time. Can't hurt the depth.

Moody, your agenda is tired and old. We're gonna lace'm up, see how the ball bounces. Doh either fights his way out of a hole, or he doesn't. Do us all a favor and don't harp on it all year. EVery single one us knows what is at stake this year. As of now, i'm confident you'll cheer for Doh to lose more then you care if the Mustangs win. I'm not sure you know you give off that vibe, but it's not pretty. We'll all be here long after Doh is gone. RIght now, this program needs wins and momentum. We have enough talent to be very competitive next season, so why would you cheer for losses? Why sandbag recruit threads when we have 5 ships to fill in '11. Before we even tip off this year, we'll have signed half of our '11 class or so.

PonyDoh, your agenda is tired and old. I get dizzy from all your spin, I fell like I'm on a eternal merry-go-round everytime I read a post. This time: "Mangrum has been completely hampered his whole career by injuries. He's better then his numbers, and is a fine shooter by most accounts." Of course! 3 years of stats are irrelevant, he is better then 27% on 3's and 34% from the field simply because you say so. Geez, get off your high-horse/pony. And its mighty, mighty bold of you to accuse me of sandbagging recruiting threads when you have spent the vast majority of this McCoy thread bashing one of our own after declaring how important he was to the team pre-transfer. Don't make me pull up your quotes again. The vibe you give isn't pretty when you speak out of both sides of your mouth. So I'm not going to fake enthusiasm over getting a "shooter" that can't shoot...but make no mistake, I will root for us to win every game this season.

[PonyDoh]

I see your point, but even if you double his minutes you are still coming to a conclusion that I don't get: that Magnum's theoretical season of 8 or so points, 3.4 or so rebounds, and 1 assist in approx. 30 minutes would be solid while McCoy with the same or better numbers "sucked". And slow your roll in terms of Mangrum "destroying Paul in shooting percentages." As far as I can tell, the dude can only make free throws. He is a career 27% shooter from 3 and 34% from the floor, which isn't good at all if thats your alleged strength.

Mangrum has been completely hampered his whole career by injuries. He's better then his numbers, and is a fine shooter by most accounts. For our system, he could be very effective spotting on the wings. Also, his length on D helps up top in the zone. There is no negative to him walking on, and I expect he'll earn some time. Can't hurt the depth.

Moody, your agenda is tired and old. We're gonna lace'm up, see how the ball bounces. Doh either fights his way out of a hole, or he doesn't. Do us all a favor and don't harp on it all year. EVery single one us knows what is at stake this year. As of now, i'm confident you'll cheer for Doh to lose more then you care if the Mustangs win. I'm not sure you know you give off that vibe, but it's not pretty. We'll all be here long after Doh is gone. RIght now, this program needs wins and momentum. We have enough talent to be very competitive next season, so why would you cheer for losses? Why sandbag recruit threads when we have 5 ships to fill in '11. Before we even tip off this year, we'll have signed half of our '11 class or so.

PonyDoh, your agenda is tired and old. I get dizzy from all your spin, I fell like I'm on a eternal merry-go-round everytime I read a post. This time: "Mangrum has been completely hampered his whole career by injuries. He's better then his numbers, and is a fine shooter by most accounts." Of course! 3 years of stats are irrelevant, he is better then 27% on 3's and 34% from the field simply because you say so. Geez, get off your high-horse/pony. And its mighty, mighty bold of you to accuse me of sandbagging recruiting threads when you have spent the vast majority of this McCoy thread bashing one of our own after declaring how important he was to the team pre-transfer. Don't make me pull up your quotes again. The vibe you give isn't pretty when you speak out of both sides of your mouth. So I'm not going to fake enthusiasm over getting a "shooter" that can't shoot...but make no mistake, I will root for us to win every game this season.

Here's the thing, I'm not spinning anything, we all know what's at stake. I just happened to know Doh would be back long before you resigned yourself to that fact. I support him being back, not b/c he's Doh, but b/c this program/job needed some rehab in industry circles. Couldn't fire another coach early. Mangrum has been hampered his whole career by injuries, ask anyone. You treat that fact like it's spin, and it's merely the reality of his time at UNT. Is he great? Hell no. Is he better then our other walk-on Barbre, absolutely. Can he provide some legit guard depth if healthy, no doubt.

The point here is that what happens will happen. No need for you to cheer against SMU just to serve your tired agenda. We never see you after wins, just losses. We never see you when we score a good recruit, and if we do, it's about how he won't achieve or improve under Doh. Bottomline, you moan & cry about the state of the program and drone on anonymously w/o ever even suggesting a viable candidate/replacement that would take this job. I've asked you this 10 times, and you never address it. Mostly b/c you whine w/o solutions. Now, you're pimping McCoy when he was a total headcase the last 18 months, and cost the program wins by being lazy & uncommitted. Sorry if that doesn't leave me warm & fuzzy for the kid. I tend to dislike people who quit on me or my programs. He's a talented individual that needs counseling more then he needs a shot coach. I hope he gets the help he needs, but make no mistake, he needs help. I'd probably put him on suicide watch if he knew his girlfriend was enjoying the company of Grievas Vasquez much of last year. Oops, I just did it. That's how much I care about ol'Paul. Viva Vas!

Mostly, you can call me a spin doctor all day, but here's what you don't know. While you're hating online, I actually get to voice my complaints directly to the powers that be. When I heard we were going to sign JS, days before it was public, who went ballistic on members of the staff personally? Not you. I crushed them, so I'm pretty sure they don't currently view me as a spin doctor. They took it like men, and quietly I know several agree w/me. The take it from me b/c I'm one of the good guys who is in a position to try and help, w/o being a compliance issue.

Who tried to used every connect he had in Vegas to keep SMU close w/Jon Loyd? What about Bryon Allen, a Maryland kid , that we went to the wire with. So, do me the favor of shutting the eff up, or do something about the situation. Right now, we have what we have, and its a huge class coming up, w/a potentially lame duck coach. Haters don't really help in this situation. Guys [deleted] about local recruiting, who have no idea about local recruiting, should shut it too. People invading recruit threads saying a kid wont improve under Doh, should pick another team or school to cheer/booster, cause you're a p.o.s.

Simply, we need all hands on deck right now. Not a bunch of pansy posters w/one-off barbs that hurt recruiting, and ultimately don't do a thing for the program, Doh or no Doh. We were 14-17, not 6-24. Most of our wins were decisive, and many of our losses were pretty close. I've never a fanbase so down on a team, that will be quite competitive next year, and could very easily get 18-20 wins. They could also fall on their face, but it seems like that's what you are cheering for anyway

[moodymadmen]

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Here's the thing, I'm not spinning anything, we all know what's at stake. I just happened to know Doh would be back long before you resigned yourself to that fact. I support him being back, not b/c he's Doh, but b/c this program/job needed some rehab in industry circles. Couldn't fire another coach early. Mangrum has been hampered his whole career by injuries, ask anyone. You treat that fact like it's spin, and it's merely the reality of his time at UNT. Is he great? Hell no. Is he better then our other walk-on Barbre, absolutely. Can he provide some legit guard depth if healthy, no doubt.

The point here is that what happens will happen. No need for you to cheer against SMU just to serve your tired agenda. We never see you after wins, just losses. We never see you when we score a good recruit, and if we do, it's about how he won't achieve or improve under Doh. Bottomline, you moan & cry about the state of the program and drone on anonymously w/o ever even suggesting a viable candidate/replacement that would take this job. I've asked you this 10 times, and you never address it. Mostly b/c you whine w/o solutions. Now, you're pimping McCoy when he was a total headcase the last 18 months, and cost the program wins by being lazy & uncommitted. Sorry if that doesn't leave me warm & fuzzy for the kid. I tend to dislike people who quit on me or my programs. He's a talented individual that needs counseling more then he needs a shot coach. I hope he gets the help he needs, but make no mistake, he needs help. I'd probably put him on suicide watch if he knew his girlfriend was enjoying the company of Grievas Vasquez much of last year. Oops, I just did it. That's how much I care about ol'Paul. Viva Vas!

Mostly, you can call me a spin doctor all day, but here's what you don't know. While you're hating online, I actually get to voice my complaints directly to the powers that be. When I heard we were going to sign JS, days before it was public, who went ballistic on members of the staff personally? Not you. I crushed them, so I'm pretty sure they don't currently view me as a spin doctor. They took it like men, and quietly I know several agree w/me. The take it from me b/c I'm one of the good guys who is in a position to try and help, w/o being a compliance issue.

Who tried to used every connect he had in Vegas to keep SMU close w/Jon Loyd? What about Bryon Allen, a Maryland kid , that we went to the wire with. So, do me the favor of shutting the eff up, or do something about the situation. Right now, we have what we have, and its a huge class coming up, w/a potentially lame duck coach. Haters don't really help in this situation. Guys [deleted] about local recruiting, who have no idea about local recruiting, should shut it too. People invading recruit threads saying a kid wont improve under Doh, should pick another team or school to cheer/booster, cause you're a p.o.s.

Simply, we need all hands on deck right now. Not a bunch of pansy posters w/one-off barbs that hurt recruiting, and ultimately don't do a thing for the program, Doh or no Doh. We were 14-17, not 6-24. Most of our wins were decisive, and many of our losses were pretty close. I've never a fanbase so down on a team, that will be quite competitive next year, and could very easily get 18-20 wins. They could also fall on their face, but it seems like that's what you are cheering for anyway[/quote]

Calm down Napoleon. Four problems I have right now: 1) Calallen and I were simply talking about McCoy and the new "shooter"...and YOU turned this into a Doh issue, something you always critcize me for. 2) You criticize regarding negative posts harming recruiting yet you stab one of our own players in the back with an onslaught of personal attacks that was frankly uncalled for especially now that you put him on "suicide watch"...geez man, if you don't think that doesn't hurt then you are naive. The pot keeps calling the kettle black and its tiring. 3) I have supported the program with time and money for countless years and by cheering at numerous home games per year...I said I would root for them in every game yet you ignore it. If I support the program and graduated from SMU then I can be critical when I see fit...28 games under .500 in 4 years with 0 CUSA tourney wins and a plethora of recruiting mistakes after spending $2mil on our coach is reason to be critical. 4) Kudos on being some kind of small-time behind the scenes player with "connections"...you are obviously connected in some form or fashion otherwise you wouldn't support this lackluster administration with such fervor and blindness or attack a kid like this unless he did you wrong in your mind...yet you hide in the shadows of a message board spewing YOUR agenda, probably in order to save your own arse and keep your small-time player status alive on the Hilltop. So keep going ballistic on the staff and keeping us "close" on recruits in Vegas, you are working your magic on the Hilltop right now and we are all grateful for your contributions

[PonyDoh]

Calm down Napoleon. Four problems I have right now: 1) Calallen and I were simply talking about McCoy and the new "shooter"...and YOU turned this into a Doh issue, something you always critcize me for. 2) You criticize regarding negative posts harming recruiting yet you stab one of our own players in the back with an onslaught of personal attacks that was frankly uncalled for especially now that you put him on "suicide watch"...geez man, if you don't think that doesn't hurt then you are naive. The pot keeps calling the kettle black and its tiring. 3) I have supported the program with time and money for countless years and by cheering at numerous home games per year...I said I would root for them in every game yet you ignore it. If I support the program and graduated from SMU then I can be critical when I see fit...28 games under .500 in 4 years with 0 CUSA tourney wins and a plethora of recruiting mistakes after spending $2mil on our coach is reason to be critical. 4) Kudos on being some kind of small-time behind the scenes player with "connections"...you are obviously connected in some form or fashion otherwise you wouldn't support this lackluster administration with such fervor and blindness or attack a kid like this unless he did you wrong in your
mind...yet you hide in the shadows of a message board spewing YOUR agenda, probably in order to save your own arse and keep your small-time player status alive on the Hilltop. So keep going ballistic on the staff and keeping us "close" on recruits in Vegas, you are working your magic on the Hilltop right now and we are all grateful for your contributions

1) We were talking McCoy, and not really that concerned about his loss, until you used this thread to continue your agenda against Doh. How this was a huge loss, an indictment vs Doh. I merely said it's fine to be critical of recruiting McCoy in hindsight, but Paul being a headcase is on McCoy. Then you proceeded to trot out garbage stats and talking about he was actually pretty good last year. At that point, we all knew you were serving an agenda b/c he flat stunk last year. His numbers weren't atrocious, but everything about him game stunk to high heaven, and you know it.

I find McCoy to be a talented kid, that doubles as an entitled vagina, so if that's personal so be it. He's quite nice, but actions tell the tale. He's old enough to be drafted, enlist, vote etc. He's old enough to catch some heat from a message board poster, who happens to know enough about the situation, that it makes being gracious impossible. Be a man and I'll treat you like one. Be a cowardly vag, and I'm going to bean you w/tampons. I

2) First off, McCoy isnt one of our players, and I didn't stab him in the back. He stabbed us, repeatedly, w/his actions over two years. Now he's gone, and this is as decent a forum as any, to rant over his stay. The name of the thread is "paul McCoy is gone' afterall.

3) I have no problem w/you being critical, the program deserves what it gets right now, to a degree. It also deserves some praise for improving this past year, recruiting pretty well in '10, none of which you'll admit. If you had another channel other then random hating, then maybe I'd take you seriously.

4) None of that diatribe made any sense and is laughable as smack talk. As everyone knows around here, I'm part of the marketing/grassroots basketball division of a major shoe company, and don't much hide from it. It's just a job and I like it, but I'm not w/SMUs apparel company etc. ANY coach at ANY program needs to know people in my industry, similarly positioned, so this isn't an SMU thing. I'll be friendly w/the next staff too and many many others. Its my job, and I dig it, big deal. That said, it does [deleted] me off, when all sorts of people are putting in work on these recruits, and haters like you just drone on. Why do you think I try to dominate those threads? Cause I know I can talk circles around you, and maybe the kid won't hate SMU so much after you've been sonned.

SO ironic that you gave me the 'we are all grateful for your contributions' line. I guess this is where I go, if you you only knew.

[moodymadmen]

Calm down Worldwide Wes. I swear, with every keystroke I feel you get closer and closer to actually having a stroke. And I'm not trying to talk trash, I honestly believe you are a wannabe bit player on the hoops scene with delutions of grandeur. Could you be any more vague with your "I'm part of the marketing/grassroots basketball division of a major shoe company, and don't much hide from it" boast?? That could mean anything from "I work at Foot Locker" to "I am Sonny Vaccaro"...excuse mean if I'm leaning towards the former. You are more Wannabe then Worldwide Wes. Lets look at the facts:
1)Anyone that was a player of any kind on the SMU hoops scene wouldn't be stupid enough to have a PonyDoh alias on ponyfans.com.
2)Anyone that is someone is too busy actually working on improving this 4 year sh*#show, and is too busy to post 3,000 word pro-Doh manifestos multiple times per day on a message board.
3)Anyone that is someone wouldn't let little ol moodymadmen get under their skin so easily.
4)Anyone that is someone doesn't need to come and attempt to gain validation on a message board.
You are more Wannabe then Worldwide Wes amigo. So slow your roll and get off your high-horse. I know guys like you well. You beat your chest and roar like you are King Kong, but in reality you resemble the rally monkey more. But if you truly are working behind the scenes to improve SMU basketball, I applaud you. With Matt Doherty as the coaching and recruiting mastermind and you as the classy "grassroots" basketball guy behind the scenes with amazing people skills, there is a beacon of hope yet for SMU ball. I'm sure "berating" the staff and calling players "vaginas" that need "lithium" is doing wonders for our program...actually, the results (or lack thereof) already speak for themselves.
And the only person you are talking circles around is yourself. Or have you already forgotten how only 2 weeks ago you were calling for McCoy to be our starting point guard and how desperately we needed him to return to health?? And now you have the audacity to claim "this isn't an SMU thing." Really WannabeDoh?!!? Really?!?? Your name is PonyDoh. You are on ponyfans.com. You are a Hall of Fame poster with 2000+ posts in 3 years. And you lay out daily pro-Doh propoganda and spin like its your full time job. Of course its a SMU thing for you! Because if it wasn't you wouldn't be here...and if you were truly concerned about "grassroots" basketball in our area you wouldn't constantly be blasting UNT, UTA, and TCU on a SMU forum.
So don't let me ruin your delutions of grandeur, I enjoy your role as the vocal minorty voice along with your 3000 word pro-Doh manifestos. You give me something to print out and read when I go to the john...and then wipe my arse with when I'm done.

[PonyDoh]

[quote="moodymadmen"]Calm down Worldwide Wes. I swear, with every keystroke I feel you get closer and closer to actually having a stroke. And I'm not trying to talk trash, I honestly believe you are a wannabe bit player on the hoops scene with delutions of grandeur. Could you be any more vague with your "I'm part of the marketing/grassroots basketball division of a major shoe company, and don't much hide from it" boast?? That could mean anything from "I work at Foot Locker" to "I am Sonny Vaccaro"...excuse mean if I'm leaning towards the former. You are more Wannabe then Worldwide Wes. Lets look at the facts:
1)Anyone that was a player of any kind on the SMU hoops scene wouldn't be stupid enough to have a PonyDoh alias on ponyfans.com.
2)Anyone that is someone is too busy actually working on improving this 4 year sh*#show, and is too busy to post 3,000 word pro-Doh manifestos multiple times per day on a message board
3)Anyone that is someone wouldn't let little ol moodymadmen get under their skin so easily.
4)Anyone that is someone doesn't need to come and attempt to gain validation on a message board.
You are more Wannabe then Worldwide Wes amigo. So slow your roll and get off your high-horse. I know guys like you well. You beat your chest and roar like you are King Kong, but in reality you resemble the rally monkey more. But if you truly are worki na up close.

Pretty sure, I'm laying eggs in your sinus cavity I'm so far in your head. Otherewise, we wouldn't see a venom tinged diatribe that really just illustrates that you have no understanding of my points, just see someone that wants a full Doh run ,and see red. Your buttons couldn't be any easier to push. FWIW, I didn't have a Doh screename under Tubbs, and had a Dement nickname under ol'Mike. I switch according to staff to show support for the program.

Nice WWW reference, cause that's what you know. LOL @ calling me or any shoe guy out for having a lack of class. Welcome to the industry, we cut each other as a matter of daily practice. As for McCoy and PG, I thought he may be our best option if focused and recovered. When I checked into it, staff never had any dilliusion of McCoy at point. Pats was getting that call before him, if not Jeremiah. They had him as a combo off the bench, no huge loss considering his baggage which is appreciable. And then there was the case of his tampering aau coach etc. So much you don't know, but pretend like you do. Why didn't they give McCoy his release to St Mary's, moody?

Your points 1-4 are hilarious and full of assumption. I'm one of a handful of avid SMU basketball fans, I can speak freely about the program as I so choose, especially given my background, and the fact that I'm program friendly in a profession that has been known to help. My company doesn't have an apparel deal w/SMU nor will we ever, I'd doubt, and my primary objective is helping, wherever I can, to help improve the program. We're not talking compliance stuff here. So stop w/the WWW references, cause they lack tact when discussing a clean program like SMU.

Who said I cared about grassroots hoops in DFW or UNT, UTA etc. I'm a national marketing exec, grassroots division. That means I care about the entire grassroots industry as a whole, and the increased presence of our brand in that marketplace. What's happening in DFW isn't a huge concern, but I do know most the AAU heads, the major players and many high school coaches. That scene isn't lost on me, no different then LA, DC, Atlanta, Memphis, Balt etc. What I do get, based on my job, is some national perspective of how the SMU job is perceived. What it would take to get DFW truly interested. Meanwhile, you don't care about that type of stuff, just prefer to [deleted]. Meanwhile, the rest of the league fires coaches and has possibly the most lackluster searches in history.

So here we are, you [deleted] about Doh, me not caring about anything other then the '11 class, until the end of next year, cause that's always been the way it was going to be. Meanwhile, I ask you who you prefer as the next coach, and I never hear a peep. Give me someone more qualified then Doh, that is GUARANTEED to win more the following year. You blown away by the Conrad, Lebo, Jones hires? Think SMU could bring in a Tim Floyd? Everyone has shown they won't touch BCG for a minute. So what's the next move big guy? Should we hire Russell Springmann, a guy who has never coached a game in his life? What about Tony Jones or Scott Spinelli? Not exactly full of big time experience either. Or, are you the guy that says just call Avery Johnson..lol

I'm sick of two things, haters dragging this program down worse then it is. Moody, you would honestly have people beleive we won 2 games last year, seriously. My second peave is someone so agenda-driven, that they don't take issues point for point. Way to throw a blanket over every situation, moody, sign of a creative mind. A good example would be that I'm not a DOh enthusiast or advocate. You see me saying he needs to come back, and you assume I must love the guy. That would be false, I'm just not a panic monkey, and know what it takes to make this next hire count. Jumping the gun is not the call. I'm also intrigued by the slow tempo system b/c we can't man up w/Memphis or FLoyd at UTEP in the short or long haul, no matter who is coach. You don't care who coaches, as long as its not Doh. Irrational hate makes for a one-dimensional poster, Moody. Talk to me about something other then Doh. Prove you have that skill level, and maybe I'll give a [deleted]. Until then, I'm pretty sure you don't care about SMU basketball, just hating Doh.

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And then there was the case of his tampering aau coach etc. So much you don't know, but pretend like you do. Why didn't they give McCoy his release to St Mary's, moody?

inquiring minds would like to know about these 2 issues!