You're getting a good player

[JHub]

I'm happy to have the kid as a walk-on, which is what he will be. Good shooter etc.

That said, I'm confused by JHubs schtick. UNT is a low major that benefits by playing in a low major league. Good luck now that FIU is recruiting 4 star kids and Western is rebounding. I find myself rather unimpressed by gloating fans of teams who benefit from an undeserving automatic bid. Again, happy to have the kid, just find it funny that UNT feels the need to gloat over a low major hoops program that doesn't play us, and would get housed if they stepped up to our level of comp. Am I supposed to be jealous of being a low major?

You seriously need to get a reality check. Your level of play right now is certainly not a step up. I just posted a newspaper blog article (cut & paste) about a great kid that can be an asset to your program. Come down off your high horse. You folks just aren't that good at this point and would be a definate underdog if you played UNT.[/quote]

Vegas laughs in the general direction of us being a dog vs the mighty UNT. Certainly, we're a very average program right now, but it beats being low major w/no chance at stepping up. LIke I said, thanks for bringing this kid walking on to our attention. I hope he plays well. Just leave the 'he comes from a winning program, been to 2 tourneys' garbage for someone who buys it. The difference between SMU & UNT as a job/program is night and day in industry circles. I look down on you, simply b/c you are beneath me[/quote]

I would seriously doubt that anyone is beneath you as an individual.

[Balatro Diabolus Ex]

Vegas may laugh, but an RPI comparison of the last 4 years is pretty conclusive that SMU would be the underdog. UNT has consistently been ranked at least 100 points higher than us, year after year.

Mangrum is a nice player who's been injury prone. He could contribute here if he's healthy, and if our recruits other than the kid from Florida cant pass the clearing house or get admitted to school, we may need him somewhat desperately.

[PonyDoh]

Vegas may laugh, but an RPI comparison of the last 4 years is pretty conclusive that SMU would be the underdog. UNT has consistently been ranked at least 100 points higher than us, year after year.

Mangrum is a nice player who's been injury prone. He could contribute here if he's healthy, and if our recruits other than the kid from Florida cant pass the clearing house or get admitted to school, we may need him somewhat desperately.

RPI comparison does not a Vegas line make. Low major filth is what they are

[JHub]

Vegas may laugh, but an RPI comparison of the last 4 years is pretty conclusive that SMU would be the underdog. UNT has consistently been ranked at least 100 points higher than us, year after year.

Mangrum is a nice player who's been injury prone. He could contribute here if he's healthy, and if our recruits other than the kid from Florida cant pass the clearing house or get admitted to school, we may need him somewhat desperately.

RPI comparison does not a Vegas line make. Low major filth is what they are

Folks with a true lack of intelligence and limited vocabulary usually resort to name calling. Are you somehow related to Doh ?

[ponyboy]

Sagarin had North Texas finish at 157 and SMU at 170 this year.

[FriscoPMG]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

[PonyDoh]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

That's nonsense. Playing UNT does nothing for us, and can hurt us. You don't see crosstown rivalries like you used to for that reason alone. Georgetown, George Mason, George Washington and Maryland don't spend any time scheduling each other. Even the Philly teams don't get after it like they used to. How bout this, let's play some competitive mids from decent conferences. I'm all about upgrading the schedule, but UNT doesn't repreent an upgrade, they're just local. We need more WCC, MWC, A10 type schools on the schedule, not Sun Belt locals w/a chip on their shoulder. If we play the Sun Belt, let's get after Western Kentucky or FIU.

[CalallenStang]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

That's nonsense. Playing UNT does nothing for us, and can hurt us.

Man, PonyDoh, normally I agree with you, but...

Insert the following schools for "UNT" in the above statement

USC-Upstate
Ark-Pine Bluff
Texas State (ON THE ROAD!)
Huston-Tillotson and Paul Quinn (hey, we won...how did that help us?)

and the list goes on.

My point is that I don't think this staff uses the logic you used when they set the schedule.

[JHub]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

That's nonsense. Playing UNT does nothing for us, and can hurt us. You don't see crosstown rivalries like you used to for that reason alone. Georgetown, George Mason, George Washington and Maryland don't spend any time scheduling each other. Even the Philly teams don't get after it like they used to. How bout this, let's play some competitive mids from decent conferences. I'm all about upgrading the schedule, but UNT doesn't repreent an upgrade, they're just local. We need more WCC, MWC, A10 type schools on the schedule, not Sun Belt locals w/a chip on their shoulder. If we play the Sun Belt, let's get after Western Kentucky or FIU.

Metroplex RPI's

84 UNT
188 TCU
206 SMU
213 UT-Arlington

Past season
UNT @ WKU - W
UNT @ FIU - W

Scheduling ? Realistically UNT has nothing to gain by playing a 206 RPI Pony team.

[FriscoPMG]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

That's nonsense. Playing UNT does nothing for us, and can hurt us.

Man, PonyDoh, normally I agree with you, but...

Insert the following schools for "UNT" in the above statement

USC-Upstate
Ark-Pine Bluff
Texas State (ON THE ROAD!)
Huston-Tillotson and Paul Quinn (hey, we won...how did that help us?)

and the list goes on.

My point is that I don't think this staff uses the logic you used when they set the schedule.

Exactly. My point isn't that we should be scheduling them, but rather comparing them to who has actually been on the schedule. I'm all for bringing in higher mids that would be winnable games at home, but at the same time serve as nice resume builders. But if UNT is this pushover that only wins b/c they're in garbage conference, then replace one of the teams above with them.
I know this program and administration doesn't seem too concerned about spending money, but doing a home & home with UNT is a whole lot cheaper than paying for a guarantee game in an empty Moody vs. the likes of a USC-Upstate.

[PonyDoh]

Exactly. My point isn't that we should be scheduling them, but rather comparing them to who has actually been on the schedule. I'm all for bringing in higher mids that would be winnable games at home, but at the same time serve as nice resume builders. But if UNT is this pushover that only wins b/c they're in garbage conference, then replace one of the teams above with them.
I know this program and administration doesn't seem too concerned about spending money, but doing a home & home with UNT is a whole lot cheaper than paying for a guarantee game in an empty Moody vs. the likes of a USC-Upstate.

There is a reason to replace NAIA & D2 teams w/ low majors. There is absolutely no need for those low majors to be completely local. There is even less of a need to do a home & home vs UNT. Playing profile programs has nothing to do w/RPI or SOS. Play Western if you are dead set on a Sun Belt team, even if their RPI is worse then UNT. UNT could win the next 5 Sun Belts and don't have half the respect Western brings. Play FIU b/c they will have the most talent in the years to come, and have the most profile head coach. In all liklihood, the Western game would find its way to TV, much like every western game did this year in DTV.

I'm not against upgrading the schedule, or changing out our low major comp. I'm very against throwing UNT a bone when it does nothing for us as a program. Don't quote RPI to me, cause that has nothing to do w/program perception. SOS doesn't much matter in perception terms either. We're supposed to be a high mid, so play that type of schedule. Get after high majors, mid majors, just don't be an idiot and get involved in a slew of no name schools/games vs locals that have a chip on their shoulder. Very few schools do that nationally anymore.

We're a pseudo-prestigious private and few of our kids are from this area currently, which is for another debate. Simply, our team/staff don't care about UTA or UNT. They don't view these teams as on the radar, rival or anything. Meanwhile, UNT & UTA care about us, though. Kids that think they deserved a better offer then UNT or UTA etc, trying to prove a point etc. We saw it in the UTA scrimmage last preseason. Our guys barely rolled out of bed, thought it was going to be a controlled scrimmage, and UTA is picking fights..lol

Again, upgrade the schedule a ton. I'm all for it. There is just no reason to play UNT or UTA, none. You don't see it hardly at all nationwide anymore. Giving them a home & home is like Maryland saying they are going to play at George Mason or George Washington. Not happening. Despite SOS or RPI, we are the program who gains nothing perception-wise. Play and beat programs that have a national profile. We need good wins vs national programs, not get bogged down in backyard brawls vs low majors that no one cares about, other then the few of you who would actually drive to Denton.

[PonyDoh]

I think Coach Doh would put his money on UNT beating his SMU teams since he opts to schedule DII and NAIA schools over North Texas...

That's nonsense. Playing UNT does nothing for us, and can hurt us. You don't see crosstown rivalries like you used to for that reason alone. Georgetown, George Mason, George Washington and Maryland don't spend any time scheduling each other. Even the Philly teams don't get after it like they used to. How bout this, let's play some competitive mids from decent conferences. I'm all about upgrading the schedule, but UNT doesn't repreent an upgrade, they're just local. We need more WCC, MWC, A10 type schools on the schedule, not Sun Belt locals w/a chip on their shoulder. If we play the Sun Belt, let's get after Western Kentucky or FIU.

Metroplex RPI's

84 UNT
188 TCU
206 SMU
213 UT-Arlington

Past season
UNT @ WKU - W
UNT @ FIU - W

Scheduling ? Realistically UNT has nothing to gain by playing a 206 RPI Pony team.

You aren't getting it, you beat us & you beat a mid-level CUSA squad and a mid major. We could have the 300th RPI and it would still be considered a good win for you. We beat you w/your RPI at 84, all we get is the knowledge that we're supposed to beat you b/c we're a bigger program. Beating you doesn't help us, aside from maybe a tiny RPI bump. We're supposed to beat you, and we would, FWIW.

This program needs to upgrade it's schedule, not just grab tougher low majors, especially who are local. That's just dumb. Beat the ones you are supposed to beat, schedule a slew of 50/50 type games, or games where we're a slight dog, and make sure we have a few elephant expeditions vs elite high majors. Nobody concerns themselves w/playing all the locals. Seriously, it's like a concept that only exists on this board. I think it's a Texan thing or something.

[papawasamustang]

The program needs exposure & an identity. One way to generate that is play more locals. Can't compare this program to Maryland's. They need exposure/attendance & playing a couple of Big 12's per season, Baylor, Tech, keep the A&M thing going, would be great. Playing Arkansas would be a really smart choice. In addition to the TCU game, playing the UTA's, North Texas would generate some LOCAL fan interest & help draw larger crowds & should be annuals IMO. Also, I like playing SFA, Sam Houston, UTSA, Texas St. too. And when you feel the urge to schedule the NAIA's, schedule the locals like Dallas Baptist, Texas Wesleyan's.
I would love to see a DFW Shootout type tourney featuring 4 top local HS teams combined with
SMU, UTA, North Texas & either Baylor, Tech, UT, A&M etc..
Take some of the schools mentioned above, add Creighton, WIchita State type & a New Mexico, Nevada & you have a solid schedule.

Back to the topic of "you're getting a good player". I think it would be titled, "your getting a smart player." No doubt he can fill a role. He'll do a lot of things that don't show up in the boxscore. I can see him getting 10-12 minutes per game. Good kid.

[PonyDoh]

The program needs exposure & an identity. One way to generate that is play more locals. Can't compare this program to Maryland's. They need exposure/attendance & playing a couple of Big 12's per season, Baylor, Tech, keep the A&M thing going, would be great. Playing Arkansas would be a really smart choice. In addition to the TCU game, playing the UTA's, North Texas would generate some LOCAL fan interest & help draw larger crowds & should be annuals IMO. Also, I like playing SFA, Sam Houston, UTSA, Texas St. too. And when you feel the urge to schedule the NAIA's, schedule the locals like Dallas Baptist, Texas Wesleyan's.
I would love to see a DFW Shootout type tourney featuring 4 top local HS teams combined with
SMU, UTA, North Texas & either Baylor, Tech, UT, A&M etc..
Take some of the schools mentioned above, add Creighton, WIchita State type & a New Mexico, Nevada & you have a solid schedule.

Back to the topic of "you're getting a good player". I think it would be titled, "your getting a smart player." No doubt he can fill a role. He'll do a lot of things that don't show up in the boxscore. I can see him getting 10-12 minutes per game. Good kid.

I actually agree w/everything you said, except playing low major locals. BTW, not comparing Maryland to SMU, comparing an ACC team playing a local A10 or CAA team. Not happening in a home & home ever, if they even splay at all. It doesn't make any sense for the ACC team, just like it makes no sense for the local CUSA squad to play local low majors w/lesser conference affiliations. The big boy is always supposed to win, rpi & sos be damned. Honestly, SMU vs Western Kentucky would draw as well as SMU vs UNT, IMO. We always talk about these match-ups like they're good for the gate, but no one ever goes.

I love the idea of a DFW Shootout, but that type of concept has been dead for 20 plus years. Many other cities/states did it, and almost all ended up boycotting the thing, b/c it didn't make enough money, and resulted in more bad losses then good wins. Those things are set up for the underdog and the larger programs hate them, in fact despise them. Only way something like that happens is if a local charity takes the lead. Coaches & ADs have a hard time side stepping the bad press of ditching a charity event b/c they dont want to possibly take a loss to a local. Ultimately, helping the community is supposed to rate higher. This is how John Feinstein got Gary Williams to submit to the endless drudgery that is the BB&T Tourney. Make it look like your taking the food out of homeless kids mouth by not playing, and SMU will play