SMU Legacy QB

[expony18]

i mean you can go back to his first game against Tulsa, or rice/utuep/tulane (only mention those because I saw them in person), but he was able to make a number of plays on deep balls with perfect placement. he might not have the strongest arm, but he puts the ball where only our guy can make the play (or it goes out of bounds).

strong arm is great but i like his other abilities like pocket awareness/keeping his eyes down the field

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1:06 even more impressive
2:15
3:03

placing the ball where only our guy can make a play
1:27
2:15
2:25

letting his playmakers make plays
1:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkQGl3vQvfI

I havent seen him throw the 20yd comeback from the far hash, but i dont think thats a throw he's ever going to be asked to make in this offense. a heavy dose of 5-15 opens up the deep ball. I get what your saying stallion that you have to be able to make a deep throw.... but in this offense the 5-15 yard passes are the equivalent of alabama's running game. hit them over and over again on quick routes and eventually the defense will get lazy and you hit them with a slant and go. or have the slots run the seems if the saftey's are trying to jump routes.

[Stallion]

I never said I didn't like Preston just that if you watch his 9 minute highlite film he doesn't regularly throw the long ball well. Weatherford does. If I had to choose between the two I'd go with Weatherford-who at least prior to his little criminal problems-supposedly had an offer too. I've always acknowledged-i think more than anyone- the importance of timing and accuracy in the Run and Shoot type offense. I remember repeatedly comparing the timing and accuracy of the Texas Tech offense under Graham Harrell and the for example Mitchell-but you also need to throw the ball deep or you are going to be throwing into 8 man coverage once they realize you're not a threat with the long ball. Does anybody in the Country throw as many Bombs as June Jones? I'd just prefer a guy that could make that throw if I had my choice.

[expony18]

well im not sure exactly how many teams throw more deep ball then us, but I think its a safe bet that SMU didnt lead the NCAA. (ATT: 1. UH 747, 2. TT 669, 3. Bowling Green 596, 4. Hawaii 569, 5. Texas 540, T-18. SMU 472)

SMU 36.3 attempts per game
Houston 53.4 attempts per game

so lets say if each team throws a deep ball 1 out 5 attempts (over 20 yards)

SMU - 7 per game x 13 games = 91 (which I think may be close to the actual number, especially when you consider us being pinned inside the 10 JJ goes deep on three straight plays. Also may be accusrate because he really controlled Padron's decision process)

Houston- 10 per game x 14 games = 140 (which I think may be low considering Keenum had more experience then Padron, and a better overall receiving group)

all of that being said I can find the actual stats on this, so its just my guess work

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... ngAttempts

wow would anyone have guessed that texas A&m attempted 37 more passes then us last year??

[reddevil]

I never said I didn't like Preston just that if you watch his 9 minute highlite film he doesn't regularly throw the long ball well. Weatherford does. If I had to choose between the two I'd go with Weatherford-who at least prior to his little criminal problems-supposedly had an offer too. I've always acknowledged-i think more than anyone- the importance of timing and accuracy in the Run and Shoot type offense. I remember repeatedly comparing the timing and accuracy of the Texas Tech offense under Graham Harrell and the for example Mitchell-but you also need to throw the ball deep or you are going to be throwing into 8 man coverage once they realize you're not a threat with the long ball. Does anybody in the Country throw as many Bombs as June Jones? I'd just prefer a guy that could make that throw if I had my choice.

Ya, June Jones should really listen to Stallion more. I am sure Stallion has a much better handle on what it takes to succeed in the run and shoot.

[Wuba]

well im not sure exactly how many teams throw more deep ball then us, but I think its a safe bet that SMU didnt lead the NCAA. (ATT: 1. UH 747, 2. TT 669, 3. Bowling Green 596, 4. Hawaii 569, 5. Texas 540, T-18. SMU 472)

SMU 36.3 attempts per game
Houston 53.4 attempts per game

so lets say if each team throws a deep ball 1 out 5 attempts (over 20 yards)

SMU - 7 per game x 13 games = 91 (which I think may be close to the actual number, especially when you consider us being pinned inside the 10 JJ goes deep on three straight plays. Also may be accusrate because he really controlled Padron's decision process)

Houston- 10 per game x 14 games = 140 (which I think may be low considering Keenum had more experience then Padron, and a better overall receiving group)

all of that being said I can find the actual stats on this, so its just my guess work

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... ngAttempts

wow would anyone have guessed that texas A&m attempted 37 more passes then us last year??

Did you really just do all that math with the assumption that each team throws the same percentage of their passes deep? Don't you think the point was the rate at which SMU throws deep, not the absolute number?

[expony18]

well im not sure exactly how many teams throw more deep ball then us, but I think its a safe bet that SMU didnt lead the NCAA. (ATT: 1. UH 747, 2. TT 669, 3. Bowling Green 596, 4. Hawaii 569, 5. Texas 540, T-18. SMU 472)

SMU 36.3 attempts per game
Houston 53.4 attempts per game

so lets say if each team throws a deep ball 1 out 5 attempts (over 20 yards)

SMU - 7 per game x 13 games = 91 (which I think may be close to the actual number, especially when you consider us being pinned inside the 10 JJ goes deep on three straight plays. Also may be accusrate because he really controlled Padron's decision process)

Houston- 10 per game x 14 games = 140 (which I think may be low considering Keenum had more experience then Padron, and a better overall receiving group)

all of that being said I can find the actual stats on this, so its just my guess work

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... ngAttempts

wow would anyone have guessed that texas A&m attempted 37 more passes then us last year??

Did you really just do all that math with the assumption that each team throws the same percentage of their passes deep? Don't you think the point was the rate at which SMU throws deep, not the absolute number?

well since you want to be a smart @ss thats not math, that's basic arithmetic, to call that math would embarrass mathematicians.... and what was the question:

Does anybody in the Country throw as many Bombs as June Jones?

My response was inline with the question asked. Further, some critical reading would help realize that I was using an estimate to come up to a total number of "Bombs thrown." If you don't like it come up with actual stats, I just don't have the time to look that closely. But if you want to suggest that SMU averages 1 throw over 20 yards at a greater rate then 1/5, I would love to see those numbers. I think 1 out of 4 is even pushing it, especially when you consider how many pass attempts per game we average. And if you read what I put in my initial response, I would think Houston propbably averages more "bombs" in comparison to SMU and that 1/5 might be a little low.

[Wuba]

well im not sure exactly how many teams throw more deep ball then us, but I think its a safe bet that SMU didnt lead the NCAA. (ATT: 1. UH 747, 2. TT 669, 3. Bowling Green 596, 4. Hawaii 569, 5. Texas 540, T-18. SMU 472)

SMU 36.3 attempts per game
Houston 53.4 attempts per game

so lets say if each team throws a deep ball 1 out 5 attempts (over 20 yards)

SMU - 7 per game x 13 games = 91 (which I think may be close to the actual number, especially when you consider us being pinned inside the 10 JJ goes deep on three straight plays. Also may be accusrate because he really controlled Padron's decision process)

Houston- 10 per game x 14 games = 140 (which I think may be low considering Keenum had more experience then Padron, and a better overall receiving group)

all of that being said I can find the actual stats on this, so its just my guess work

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sta ... ngAttempts

wow would anyone have guessed that texas A&m attempted 37 more passes then us last year??

Did you really just do all that math with the assumption that each team throws the same percentage of their passes deep? Don't you think the point was the rate at which SMU throws deep, not the absolute number?

well since you want to be a smart @ss thats not math, that's basic arithmetic, to call that math would embarrass mathematicians.... and what was the question:

Does anybody in the Country throw as many Bombs as June Jones?

My response was inline with the question asked. Further, some critical reading would help realize that I was using an estimate to come up to a total number of "Bombs thrown." If you don't like it come up with actual stats, I just don't have the time to look that closely. But if you want to suggest that SMU averages 1 throw over 20 yards at a greater rate then 1/5, I would love to see those numbers. I think 1 out of 4 is even pushing it, especially when you consider how many pass attempts per game we average. And if you read what I put in my initial response, I would think Houston propbably averages more "bombs" in comparison to SMU and that 1/5 might be a little low.

I did not mean to [deleted] you off (or [deleted] off any mathematicians), my point was that you laid out a bunch of numbers that were all premised on an underlying assumption which undermined all of the numbers. I think you were better off making your case without trying to quantify it to such a degree, and I realize that you did say it was just guesswork so I suppose I should have just kept my mouth shut. Apologies.

[PoconoPony]

One must first define "bomb" before beginning any discussion.

[ponyboy]

What does it mean to define?

[PoconoPony]

Define means to establish a the yardage length of a pass before it is considered long enough to fall into to a category to be considered a "bomb".

[CalallenStang]

Define means to establish a the yardage length of a pass before it is considered long enough to fall into to a category to be considered a "bomb".

35+ yards in the air.

[Garret]

Define means to establish a the yardage length of a pass before it is considered long enough to fall into to a category to be considered a "bomb".

35+ yards in the air.

Then Colt Brennan must have not been that good of a QB for JJ's system because Hawaii rarely threw passes that were in the air that far from scrimmage, especially during 2005 and 2006 (Colt's best statistical year). I have entire seasons on DVD and those types of attempts were rare. In 2007, JJ shifted a starting CB to wideout to give an outside threat and Hawaii would throw 2 or 3 long passes out of 40 or so attempts in a game.

[CalallenStang]

Define means to establish a the yardage length of a pass before it is considered long enough to fall into to a category to be considered a "bomb".

35+ yards in the air.

Then Colt Brennan must have not been that good of a QB for JJ's system because Hawaii rarely threw passes that were in the air that far from scrimmage, especially during 2005 and 2006 (Colt's best statistical year). I have entire seasons on DVD and those types of attempts were rare. In 2007, JJ shifted a starting CB to wideout to give an outside threat and Hawaii would throw 2 or 3 long passes out of 40 or so attempts in a game.

Oh, I know. I followed Hawaii in those years (not as closely as you did, though).

I've always said on here that JJ prefers a "catch-and-run" offense.

[Stallion]

here's 4 examples of the vertical passing offense in one game. And I believe Padron missed on at least 2 others. June Jones has stated several times that the difference between the Tech/UH style offense is that he runs a vertical passing game while TT/UH(note they've shared coordinators) run a horizontal passing game. Robinson may lead the country in ypc over the last 2 years because they want to stretch the field which causes DBs and LBs to cover 50 yards instead of 20 yards and even if the ball isn't thrown deep it opens up the shorter passing game to bigger plays because the defenders are covering much more of the field. Bo levi Mitchell I guarantee to you averaged 5-6 "vertical bombs" per game-that's a bunch especially if a QB proves he can hit those passes.

[Garret]

I do agree that when you have an excellent deep threat (such as Robinson), JJ calls a lot more deep passes. In 2005 and 2006, Colt Brennan did not throw many passes 35+ yards down field. However, in 2007 he did because Hawthorne (moved from DB to wideout) gave a deep threat.

When JJ had Ashley Lelie (1st round pick by Denver) at wideout, Hawaii threw a *lot* of passes well downfield. The year after he graduated Hawaii used the slots (Chad Owens especially) a lot more and did not throw nearly as many deep passes, but Owens had excellent runs after catches.

This year I think SMU will throw a lot of deep passes because Robinson will be a senior leader and Padron has shown he can connect well with deep passes to him. That will open up the field nicely. However, in future years if there are no major deep threats, or if the slots emerge as unstoppable forces, then there won't be as many deep passes. The offense uses what works and adjusts to what the defense does...if the D tries to bring in the safeties because they do not expect deep passes, watch a slot get open and make a short catch into a long TD due to the lack of safety help (run off by another receiver specifically to make the long run after the catch possible).